Novichok - fake news or Russian attack?

[Nearly Sane]

Well, that's conclusive then


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43633694

[floo]

Well, that's conclusive then


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43633694

Conclusive? They haven't located the source.

[Nearly Sane]

Conclusive? They haven't located the source.

It's called sarcasm. Of course it does conclusively show the Foreign Secretary as a liar, as he was already called out on.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-a-categorical-liar/

[floo]

Hopefully we will eventually discover whether the Kremlin ordered the attack, or not.

[Nearly Sane]

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Hopefully we will eventually discover whether the Kremlin ordered the attack, or not.

Except we have a Foreign Secretary who based on this lied. Shouldn't he be sacked?

[floo]

( Except we have a Foreign Secretary who based on this lied. Shouldn't he be sacked?

I think Boris should go for a good number of reasons.

[Nearly Sane]

I think Boris should go for a good number of reasons.

And since he was backed up by May, time for her to go to.

[Gordon]

Hopefully we will eventually discover whether the Kremlin ordered the attack, or not.

But given the lying of our esteemed foreign secretary from the outset, and the related subsequent diplomatic activity involving multiple countries expelling diplomats (and having their own expelled) falling out of his perhaps hasty response and his personal high profile (Boris is no shrinking violet), just whose assessments and reassurances would you now trust?

[Spud]

But given the lying of our esteemed foreign secretary from the outset

I don't think he's lying; mistaken or misled yes.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think he's lying; mistaken or misled yes.

Nope, he's a proven liar.

[ad_orientem]

To me this whole thing seems a deliberate distraction: things aren't going to well at home so create an enemy abroad.

[jeremyp]

( Except we have a Foreign Secretary who based on this lied. Shouldn't he be sacked?

Well he lied about the degree of certainty with which Porton Down have identified the source but that doesn't mean there isn't other evidence that the Russians did it.

[jeremyp]

But given the lying of our esteemed foreign secretary from the outset, and the related subsequent diplomatic activity involving multiple countries expelling diplomats (and having their own expelled) falling out of his perhaps hasty response and his personal high profile (Boris is no shrinking violet), just whose assessments and reassurances would you now trust?

Whatever we the public know about what happened, I think the government must have really good evidence that Russia is responsible. Even the USA with Trumpski in charge expelled diplomats and had diplomats expelled. If I were them, I Wouldn't do that unless I was completely satisfied that the British government was right, especially given the turnip brain that calls himself our foreign secretary.

[Nearly Sane]

Well he lied about the degree of certainty with which Porton Down have identified the source but that doesn't mean there isn't other evidence that the Russians did it.

And in so lying undermines the overall credibility of any statements from the govt on this.

[jeremyp]

And in so lying undermines the overall credibility of any statements from the govt on this.

I can't disagree. Every time that idiot opens his mouth on the telly, I cringe in expectation of some stupidity being let loose on the World stage.

[ad_orientem]

Whatever we the public know about what happened, I think the government must have really good evidence that Russia is responsible.

Much like the really good evidence Saddam still had wmd's.

[Nearly Sane]

I can't disagree. Every time that idiot opens his mouth on the telly, I cringe in expectation of some stupidity being let loose on the World stage.

and yet there he is FS, and the third in the betting to become OM, after Walter the Softy (favourite) and Jez! Our politics is fucked.

[jeremyp]

Much like the really good evidence Saddam still had wmd's.

I certainly hope not.

[Aruntraveller]

Our politics is fucked.

A sentiment that cannot be repeated often enough 

[Nearly Sane]

Best comedy in a while

https://www.rt.com/news/438350-petrov-boshirov-interview-simonyan/

[Rhiannon]

http://newsthump.com/2018/09/13/world-enters-new-post-satire-era/

[Spud]

Quite interesting to compare this with the "Fine Detail in the Gospels" debate. When asked about why they were in Salisbury, they mentioned the clock at Salisbury Cathedral being the oldest working clock in the world. If they were really in Salisbury to see the Cathedral, we would expect them to mention a detail like that. When I was 11 I went with school on a day trip to Salisbury, and came back with a brass running!

[Spud]

Brass rubbing

[Gordon]

Quite interesting to compare this with the "Fine Detail in the Gospels" debate. When asked about why they were in Salisbury, they mentioned the clock at Salisbury Cathedral being the oldest working clock in the world. If they were really in Salisbury to see the Cathedral, we would expect them to mention a detail like that.

Have you considered, Spud, that nefarious agents working as assassins (allegedly) for a foreign power might find out about stuff in the local area as part of their cover story!   

[Rhiannon]

This is the original Newsthump thing.

http://newsthump.com/2018/09/12/skirpal-poisoning-suspects-just-massively-into-salisbury-insists-vladimir-putin/

Magenta de Vine.