What do the R&E non- and anti-religious actually believe in?

[Rhiannon]

I seem to recall noting that Rhiannon found God did not meet her specifications. I know nothing about Wigginhall's former Christianity.

Liar.

[Rhiannon]

I seem to recall Rhiannon mentioning that she expected certain help from God and did not find it forthcoming.

Liar

[Rhiannon]

That word, "Lying', being used inappropriately again.  NS you need to lie down.  You don't have to log on either.

As for apologies, I've yet to see an atheist on here, not all but one of the coterie - apologise to someone of faith for all the sneering, sarcastic, vile remarks they make to them, too many to pinpoint.

IME the majority of non believers are tolerant of believers. They are not tolerant of lying, misrepresentation and the kind of disgusting beliefs where god saves them from a parking ticket but can’t be arsed to lift a finger to help Charlie Gard.

Vile? Yeah, pretty much.

And Vlad lied about what I’ve said in the past. But lying for Jesus is how he rolls.

[torridon]

Rhiannon rocks 

[Owlswing]

Rhiannon rocks 

Hey Bro

Ain't that a monumental statement of the truth.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

IME the majority of non believers are tolerant of believers. They are not tolerant of lying, misrepresentation and the kind of disgusting beliefs where god saves them from a parking ticket but can’t be arsed to lift a finger to help Charlie Gard.

But what if sometimes God does help with minor things and then lets major things happen.
You deny my suggestion that God doesn't meet your specifications and yet here we are, with you joining the chorus against me.

[floo]

But what if sometimes God does help with minor things and then lets major things happen.
You deny my suggestion that God doesn't meet your specifications and yet here we are, with you joining the chorus against me.

If god ensures a fine day for the church panto, but fails to prevent a plane crash, it is far from a god of love, it doesn't know the meaning of that word.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If god ensures a fine day for the church panto, but fails to prevent a plane crash, it is far from a god of love, it doesn't know the meaning of that word.

What a ridiculously simplistic view of life.

Appeal to ridicule.

[floo]

What a ridiculously simplistic view of life.

Appeal to ridicule.

I think my comment was quite reasonable compared to yours. BTW, I thought you were considering leaving the forum yesterday, I see you are still here!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think my comment was quite reasonable compared to yours. BTW, I thought you were considering leaving the forum yesterday, I see you are still here!

I heard you considered leaving the forum. I see you are still here

[SteveH]

LR - you are assuming that God can prevent all disasters. It all depends on what you mean by "omnipotent". A few months ago, I started a thread on that topic, hoping for a serious discussion. I should have known that that was a vain hope, with the obsessively sarcastic atheists on here.
I certainly don't think God arranges nice weather for Church events, and neither does any sensible Christian, though I've heard that sort of childish nonsense from happy-clappys before now.

[floo]

LR - you are assuming that God can prevent all disasters. It all depends on what you mean by "omnipotent". A few months ago, I started a thread on that topic, hoping for a serious discussion. I should have known that that was a vain hope, with the obsessively sarcastic atheists on here.
I certainly don't think God arranges nice weather for Church events, and neither does any sensible Christian, though I've heard that sort of childish nonsense from happy-clappys before now.

The sky fairy supposedly created everything so why can't it prevent disasters? If it lets them happen it must enjoy human suffering!

[SusanDoris]

LR - you are assuming that God can prevent all disasters. It all depends on what you mean by "omnipotent". A few months ago, I started a thread on that topic, hoping for a serious discussion. I should have known that that was a vain hope, with the obsessively sarcastic atheists on here.
I certainly don't think God arranges nice weather for Church events, and neither does any sensible Christian, though I've heard that sort of childish nonsense from happy-clappys before now.

So what areas of life do you think God selects in which to intervene? How do you believe such a choice is made?
Can you explain how your answer will, of necessity, be a guess?

[floo]

So what areas of life do you think God selects in which to intervene? How do you believe such a choice is made?
Can you explain how your answer will, of necessity, be a guess?

Good question, SD.

[SteveH]

Sigh...

[floo]

Sigh...

You might sigh, but you have no answer to any questions posed about god as it is all speculation, nothing more.

[Rhiannon]

Sigh...

But it’s a valid and important question, and one I ultimately couldn’t answer when I was a Christian. If you believe in a loving god then that god would not turn his back on a suffering child because they were of the wrong or no faith. So the only thing to believe in that case is that god doesn’t intervene and healings, accidents, illnesses, deaths and all the rest are random. In which case, why have intercessory prayer? Either that or god answers some prayers but not others, keeps some safe but not others, heals some but not others - is a capricious monster, in other words.

But never mind, because he’s shit hot at finding parking spaces.

[floo]

But it’s a valid and important question, and one I ultimately couldn’t answer when I was a Christian. If you believe in a loving god then that god would not turn his back on a suffering child because they were of the wrong or no faith. So the only thing to believe in that case is that god doesn’t intervene and healings, accidents, illnesses, deaths and all the rest are random. In which case, why have intercessory prayer? Either that or god answers some prayers but not others, keeps some safe but not others, heals some but not others - is a capricious monster, in other words.

But never mind, because he’s shit hot at finding parking spaces.

I think praying can have a placebo effect and give those offering the prayer a feeling of comfort. Prayers are remembered if the outcome is positive but forgotten if negative. The excuse given for god not coming through is that god knows best!

[jeremyp]

They spend a great deal of time and energy being sarky at believers' expense, and spouting dribs and drabs of philosophy almost as though they know what they're talking about

Perhaps when you accuse other people of being snarky, you might consider avoiding it yourself.

so we all know what they don't believe in, but what are their positive beliefs, and why do we never hear of them?

I believe I shouldn't believe anything without evidence.

[jeremyp]

I believe that this thread is not going well...

[floo]

I believe that this thread is not going well...

I doubt that was the intention of the poster of the OP!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I doubt that was the intention of the poster of the OP!

Stinking innuendo.
Atheists are supremely ascendant on this forum. If threads, boards or forums cannot get off the ground perhaps the finger should be pointing at the majority contingent for lacking wit, imagination and security.

[floo]

Stinking innuendo.
Atheists are supremely ascendant on this forum. If threads, boards or forums cannot get off the ground perhaps the finger should be pointing at the majority contingent for lacking wit, imagination and security.

You certainly have an overactive imagination if your posts are anything to go by. 

[jeremyp]

Stinking innuendo.
Atheists are supremely ascendant on this forum.

What do you mean by that? Plenty of theists post here and give as good as they get. That's not bad considering they are hamstrung by having to defend fantasy.