Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??

[Grace of God]

 It seems many believe it is and many believe it is not..

what's your opinion...

[Anchorman]

Can a Christian reject Christ and all He is? Yes. Having done so, can he, once more, after due consideration, return to Christ and accept His salvation? Again, yes. Christ does not put a time limit on His grace.

[BeRational]

yeah my mistake, I realise now anyone can answer...lol

In my opinion scripture actually supports OSAS...

So once saved you can do any evil deed after and still go to heaven?

[SteveH]

OSAS is the flip-side of Calvinism's doctrine of election, which I absolutely reject as the antithesis of Christianity. As a thorough-going Arminian, I reject OSAS out of hand too.

[Robbie]

I too reject the doctrine. Grace of God, your op is quite reasonable but would have been better in Faith Sharing section. There's still time to move it.

[Grace of God]

So once saved you can do any evil deed after and still go to heaven?

In essence yes... it is based on Grace, which is undeserved favour...

[Anchorman]

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Eh?
The whole premis of grace is a one-sided effort on God's part.
He loves us because He loves us.
It's up to us whether we want to return that love.

[SteveH]

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The usual considered, nuanced reponse from LR. I think even a thorough-going Calvinist who believed in OSAS (which I am not and don't) would say that the sign of being saved is a sincere attempt to live morally. You might slip from time to time, and need to repent, but someone who went around stealing, fornicating and bullying and thought it was ok because he was saved and couldn't lose their salvation would get short shrift from a Calvinist, who would say that they are not really saved at all. That attitude is called antinomianism, and it is generally regarded as a serious error. St Augustine of Hippo may have said "Love God and do as you please", but the catch is that loving God comes first, and if you do love God, you will want to do what pleases God.

[BeRational]

Theusual considered, nuanced reponse from LR. I think even a thorough-going Calvinist who believed in OSAS (which I am not and don't) would say that the sign of being saved is a sincere attempt to live morally. You might slip from time to time, and need to repent, but someone who went around stealing, fornicating and bullying and thought it was ok because he was saved and couldn't lose their salvation would get short shrift from a Calvinist, who would say that they are not really saved at all. That attitude is called antinomianism, and it is generally regarded as a serious error. St Augustine of Hippo may have said "Love God and do as you please", but the catch is that loving God comes first, and if you do love God, you will want to do what pleases God.

It's also the no true Scotsman fallacy

[SteveH]

It's also the no true Scotsman fallacy

What is? Explain.

[BeRational]

What is? Explain.

If they continue to sin after being saved, you just say they were not really saved at all.
The wrong sort of saved.

If you are saved and that's for  all time, then YES you can then commit as many sins as often as you like without losing this being saved.

[SteveH]

If they continue to sin after being saved, you just say they were not really saved at all.
The wrong sort of saved.

If you are saved and that's for  all time, then YES you can then commit as many sins as often as you like without losing this being saved.

Read my post again, because you've obviously (and probably wilfully) misunderstood it.

[BeRational]

Read my post again, because you've obviously (and probably wilfully) misunderstood it.

If they continue in the wrong way you just say they were not saved.

If someone does believe once saved always saved, then they must also acknowledge that a person can do what they like once saved.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

This thread has been reported as being better suited to the Faith Sharing Area, and on reading the thread I see that other have noted this.

I'll move it to there, but will first need to remove a small number of posts that would be outwith the ethos of the FSA so will lock the thread temporarily while I do this.

Update: I've removed some posts, such as those noting that this thread would be best suited in FSA (where it now is) plus some that were clearly outwith the ethos of this particular board: I've left a couple for now that are perhaps borderline and will review the thread again tomorrow.

Can I just remind anyone adding to this thread that they should do so in line with the 'About This Board' sticky.

[ad_orientem]

It seems many believe it is and many believe it is not..

what's your opinion...

Unscriptual.

[Robbie]

Glad to see this thread has been moved to the right place.

Ad-orientum, Grace of God obviously does believe there is scriptural for the 'once saved always saved' doctrine so, as always, it is down to interpretation of the scriptures. However first of all one has to believe in the inerrancy of scripture which I don't though I see the wisdom; I'm with StevenH on this one (he said, "...the sign of being saved is a sincere attempt to live morally. You might slip from time to time, and need to repent"...Not that 'slipping' means human error to varying degrees but not things like serial killing ), possibly agree with you though you've explained what it is you don't believe but not what you do.

What I am quite sure of is that God doesn't let any one of us go easily and He will always forgive and welcome us back if we stumble but that's not the same as OSAS. It's also not something I can prove yet it is something I am sure of. I'm certain in my own mind that God won't let go of me but I cannot be complacent about it and behave badly because that would be an insult to God.

[Anchorman]

Unscriptual.

Not entirely.
There are a few Scriptures which might bear interpretation as OSAS, as_O.
Equally,  those texts in context may not support this view.
However, the overwhelming scriptural evidence would, IMO, arguer against it.

[Grace of God]

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Eh?
The whole premis of grace is a one-sided effort on God's part.
He loves us because He loves us.
It's up to us whether we want to return that love.

Amen, it is all about what was done on our behalf..

[Grace of God]

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The usual considered, nuanced reponse from LR. I think even a thorough-going Calvinist who believed in OSAS (which I am not and don't) would say that the sign of being saved is a sincere attempt to live morally. You might slip from time to time, and need to repent, but someone who went around stealing, fornicating and bullying and thought it was ok because he was saved and couldn't lose their salvation would get short shrift from a Calvinist, who would say that they are not really saved at all. That attitude is called antinomianism, and it is generally regarded as a serious error. St Augustine of Hippo may have said "Love God and do as you please", but the catch is that loving God comes first, and if you do love God, you will want to do what pleases God.

So are you saying once you are saved you must live a perfect sinless life??

[Grace of God]

If they continue in the wrong way you just say they were not saved.

If someone does believe once saved always saved, then they must also acknowledge that a person can do what they like once saved.

Grace does mean technically you can do as you please once saved but it does not mean you would...

[Grace of God]

Unscriptual.

what of romans 8 vs 1
there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus...

[Anchorman]

what of romans 8 vs 1
there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus...

 
Romans 8 is my "desert island" chapter, the chapter I'd take with me to that fabled desert island.
The question I'd ask, though, is this;
What of those who have made a sincwere commitment, shown all the signs of the fruit of the Spirit, even led others to Christ - yet for some reason or other, have lost their faith.
Are they still saved?

[SteveH]

So are you saying once you are saved you must live a perfect sinless life??

No, I specifically said that you might slip from time to time. You would, however, obviously be trying to live a better life. As I've said, I don't believe in OSAS, but it is true from the Arminian point of view too that a real Christian will be trying, however imperfectly, to live a good life (which is not to say that no-one else does).

[SteveH]

If they continue in the wrong way you just say they were not saved.

If someone does believe once saved always saved, then they must also acknowledge that a person can do what they like once saved.

Yes, they can - but what they like will be trying to please God, if they're really saved.

[SteveH]

what of romans 8 vs 1
there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus...

Irrelevant. As long as you are "in Christ Jesus", there is indeed no condemnation, but that says nothing about those who fall away. A thorough-going Arminian can happily accept that verse.