Author Topic: 'Repeal the 8th' (Read 9164 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #50 on:** June 03, 2018, 08:37:39 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on June 03, 2018, 08:32:06 PM

Just a thought,

I wonder how many of the Irish who voted to repeal the 8th amendment would be alive today if the abortion act of 1967 had been applied to Ireland too.

So you want to stop their vote?

Robbie · « **Reply #51 on:** June 03, 2018, 08:42:35 PM »

Alan if some of those people were not alive today, like ourselves if we had been aborted,what would it matter to them or us.I've often thought if I had been aborted - which was never on the cards, I'm just making a point - I wouldn't be here to care!

Rhiannon · « **Reply #52 on:** June 03, 2018, 08:46:36 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 03, 2018, 08:37:39 PM

So you want to stop their vote?

Yes, it’s not like Alan is the first to think of this.

SteveH · « **Reply #53 on:** June 04, 2018, 08:00:16 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 03, 2018, 08:46:36 PM

Yes, it’s not like Alan is the first to think of this.

The anti-choice lobby has always been long on sentimentality and irrelevance, and short on logic.

jeremyp · « **Reply #54 on:** June 04, 2018, 05:32:34 PM »

Quote from: Spud on May 30, 2018, 10:51:46 PM

A foetus can rub it's eyes just like a child.... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

We kill and eat ducks with orange sauce. Is that what you meant?

Human foetuses don't really have eyes until about the eighth week of pregnancy. At what point do you content they start rubbing them?

jeremyp · « **Reply #55 on:** June 04, 2018, 05:35:25 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on June 03, 2018, 08:32:06 PM

Just a thought,

I wonder how many of the Irish who voted to repeal the 8th amendment would be alive today if the abortion act of 1967 had been applied to Ireland too.

I wonder which way Savita Halappanavar would have voted if she were alive today.

Alan Burns · « **Reply #56 on:** June 09, 2018, 09:29:54 PM »

When I was conceived, my mother, father, brother and sister lived in a one bedroom terraced house in Dale street in Middlesbrough. My dad was a labourer in the steelworks with a very low wage. Surely it would have been an easy option to have me aborted. But I grew up in a very loving family, and my mum and dad were immensely proud of me.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #57 on:** June 09, 2018, 10:46:01 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on June 09, 2018, 09:29:54 PM

When I was conceived, my mother, father, brother and sister lived in a one bedroom terraced house in Dale street in Middlesbrough. My dad was a labourer in the steelworks with a very low wage. Surely it would have been an easy option to have me aborted. But I grew up in a very loving family, and my mum and dad were immensely proud of me.

You know fuck all.

SteveH · « **Reply #58 on:** June 09, 2018, 11:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on June 09, 2018, 09:29:54 PM

When I was conceived, my mother, father, brother and sister lived in a one bedroom terraced house in Dale street in Middlesbrough. My dad was a labourer in the steelworks with a very low wage. Surely it would have been an easy option to have me aborted. But I grew up in a very loving family, and my mum and dad were immensely proud of me.

I'm glad to hear it, but that is completely irrelevant to thedebate.

ippy · « **Reply #59 on:** June 11, 2018, 02:20:18 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 09, 2018, 10:46:01 PM

You know fuck all.

Why the need to go into so much detail Rhi?

Regards ippy

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:58:24 PM »

Quote from: ippy on June 11, 2018, 02:20:18 PM

Why the need to go into so much detail Rhi?

Regards ippy

What is Lawrence Krauss's current status within the National Secular Society?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #61 on:** June 12, 2018, 02:10:45 PM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on June 12, 2018, 01:58:24 PM

What is Lawrence Krauss's current status within the National Secular Society?

Who won the F A Cup in 1927?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #62 on:** June 12, 2018, 04:09:27 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 12, 2018, 02:10:45 PM

Who won the F A Cup in 1927?

Cardiff City.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #63 on:** June 12, 2018, 04:34:06 PM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on June 12, 2018, 04:09:27 PM

Cardiff City.

Correct, and so what would you like to add on the subject of the thread?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #64 on:** June 12, 2018, 06:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 12, 2018, 04:34:06 PM

Correct, and so what would you like to add on the subject of the thread?

I know you wanted them to introduce abortion into Ireland but did you really, really, really want them to bearing in mind just two really's has never counted as support on religionethics?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #65 on:** June 12, 2018, 07:02:14 PM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on June 12, 2018, 06:53:59 PM

I know you wanted them to introduce abortion into Ireland but did you really, really, really want them to bearing in mind just two really's has never counted as support on religionethics?

no idea what point you are trying to make there.

Spud · « **Reply #66 on:** June 16, 2018, 09:39:58 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 04, 2018, 05:32:34 PM

We kill and eat ducks with orange sauce. Is that what you meant?

No, just responding to #37 where HH claimed a foetus is not a child. See the video below: if it looks like a child and rubs its eyes like one, it probably is.
[edit: technically a foetus is an unborn child].

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Human foetuses don't really have eyes until about the eighth week of pregnancy. At what point do you content they start rubbing them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uhixkt2OW0

ippy · « **Reply #67 on:** June 16, 2018, 01:02:15 PM »

I'm sure there's no requirement in the law for anyone to have an abortion if they don't want to have one.

It's so simple, if anyone has some form of objection to abortion, they don't have to have one.

Those that want the choice have the choice too, with the bonus of not having to inflict their ideas about abortion on others.

Let's hope the Northern Islanders see the light, I'm sure it'll come eventually.

Regards ippy

Rhiannon · « **Reply #68 on:** June 16, 2018, 01:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Spud on June 16, 2018, 09:39:58 AM

No, just responding to #37 where HH claimed a foetus is not a child. See the video below: if it looks like a child and rubs its eyes like one, it probably is.
[edit: technically a foetus is an unborn child].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uhixkt2OW0

A foetus is an unborn child, not a child. That’s not a technicality, it’s a fact.

jeremyp · « **Reply #69 on:** June 16, 2018, 06:30:28 PM »

Quote from: Spud on June 16, 2018, 09:39:58 AM

No, just responding to #37 where HH claimed a foetus is not a child. See the video below: if it looks like a child and rubs its eyes like one, it probably is.
[edit: technically a foetus is an unborn child].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uhixkt2OW0

How old was the foetus in that video?

Spud · « **Reply #70 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:04:45 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on June 16, 2018, 01:15:47 PM

A foetus is an unborn child, not a child. That’s not a technicality, it’s a fact.

So an unborn child is not a child until it's born. If you say so. It's still a person though.

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #71 on:** June 17, 2018, 11:29:20 AM »

Quote from: Spud on June 17, 2018, 04:04:45 AM

If you say so. It's still a person though.

Really? Justify that statement - do you really think that a 100 cell hollow ball of cells (the 5 day old embryo as an example) is a 'person'.

I think you need to think much more carefully about what 'personhood' means and when it starts and when it ends. Glib, simplistic statements that somehow imply (without thinking about it) that all stages of development from conception are 'a person' doesn't really advance or understanding at all.

Robbie · « **Reply #72 on:** June 17, 2018, 02:51:33 PM »

All that video shows Spud, is that a foetus moves about, which we know, and bears some resemblance to a child. The foetus doesn't have eyes, its hands move over the area where eyes will eventually be. At what stage of gestation is that particular foetus?

Spud · « **Reply #73 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:11:07 PM »

Quote from: ProfessorDavey on June 17, 2018, 11:29:20 AM

Really? Justify that statement - do you really think that a 100 cell hollow ball of cells (the 5 day old embryo as an example) is a 'person'.

I think you need to think much more carefully about what 'personhood' means and when it starts and when it ends. Glib, simplistic statements that somehow imply (without thinking about it) that all stages of development from conception are 'a person' doesn't really advance or understanding at all.

Of course they are a person. It's a human being in there. The only difference between before and after birth is that after birth it's oxygenating its blood using its lungs... lungs that are already present while it is inside, just not yet being used. Plus, it gets its nutrients from its mother when its in and for a while after it comes out.
When it's a 5 day old embryo all the genes needed to develop into a person are there. So it is already a person, from the moment of conception.
You can't justify murdering it by saying it isn't a person.

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #74 on:** June 17, 2018, 07:17:03 PM »

Quote from: Spud on June 17, 2018, 04:11:07 PM

When it's a 5 day old embryo all the genes needed to develop into a person are there. So it is already a person, from the moment of conception.

There is a difference between something that has the potential to develop into something and actually being that thing.

An acorn has the potential to develop into an oak tree, but that doesn't mean that an acorn is an oak tree.

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