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Sassy

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2018, 01:32:31 PM »
Don't you just love it when a fundy asks what they think is a killer question, that could in fact be answered by any reasonably bright 12-year-old?

It did not require any bright 12 year old or adult to know why God does not allow anyone but angels wings.

The intelligent answer for yourself would have been, "I don't know" it would be the truthful one for you.

Do you feel that a bright 12 year old would have given your answer? No! they would have said the same thing as I have written. " I don't know" Because it is the only truthful one on your part as an atheist. As a thinking believer the dangers of men flying would be too apparent as to why God did not give humans wings.
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2018, 01:34:00 PM »
If this is a serious question, I'm fascinated as to what bizarre misunderstanding has led to you ask it. Please do tell as to why you think evolution would have produced flying pigs or humans.
Pigs and humans can fly without wings, just put them on a plane. Had you read the replies you would know it was the evolution of species evolving by change into new species. 
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2018, 01:35:06 PM »
Actually, on this occasion, I think Sassy has a point. This new "species" came about by birds from two other species breeding. Since these two birds successfully mated and produced fertile young, is there any justification for claiming they really were of two different species in the first place?

Also, although the hybrid offspring seem to have bred only amongst themselves so far, presumably they could interbreed with either of their ancestors' species. How, therefore is this a new species?

Well said, JeremyP and thanks for showing as an atheist you can think outside what you have read.
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #128 on: April 15, 2018, 01:51:14 PM »
Blimey Sass's overactive imagination has been working overtime in these posts of hers. ;D

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #129 on: April 15, 2018, 02:28:20 PM »
So how do Angels manage to have wings and all their limbs and fly?


Is this a serious question? Firstly, angels probably don't exist. Secondy, I don't think the bible ever mentions them having wings - that is a later idea from art.
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #130 on: April 15, 2018, 03:18:16 PM »
Is this a serious question? Firstly, angels probably don't exist. Secondy, I don't think the bible ever mentions them having wings - that is a leter idea from art.

You are correct there is no suggestion the Biblical 'angels' have wings.

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #131 on: April 15, 2018, 03:47:11 PM »
Hi Gog,

I have further explained in my previous two posts to this. I hope you will read and tell me what you think.  :)

Sassy, GraceofGod is no longer a member here so no point addressing posts to her/him.
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #132 on: April 15, 2018, 03:57:16 PM »
Natural selection - as in survival of the fittest?  Darwin stufied for 30 years he proposed that the many differences in individuals of a species their genes etc regarding their suitability to their surroundings  made them better able to survive.
He also sent out mixed messages because it was Darwin who suggested 'descent with modification' this is where the idea that species change over a period of time and these changes cause new species to come into existence.

Which is not a mixed message at all.

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But the truth is major animals and their species have no been changing and life on this planet only comes from life forms ALREADY here.

Existing life forms have changed over long periods of time. Whicch is what Evolutionary is. It says nothing about how life formed initially.

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Man and animals have all adapted or died according to their surroundings. But new life of a brand new species from NOTHING has not happened.

Which is not what evolutionary theory is about - it is about existing life forms changing over long periods to become different species.

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In fact science believe evolution has stopped.

Totally wrong. Where have you got that idea from?

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Where would that leave the survival of the fittest is no species evolving? We have to think beyond the pail and think about what Darwins writings really mean by making the comparisons here and now.

irrelevant since evolution has not stopped.

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Many people use 'theory' where they should use 'law'.  For instance a 'scientific law' The world and creation is a scientific law not a theory since there is no  experiments or even  confirmed observations which would make evolution a theory.

That's wrong.

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The reason it should be called a 'law' is that their is no evidence of any kind of how life and the planet earth really came into existence.

That's wrong and has nothing to do with evolution anyway since it is not about how life formed on this planet.

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May be if I can reach this conclusion using your words for theories, science, evolution and scientist then why haven't you?

Because your concluusion is wrong based on lack of knowledge on the subject.

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The one truth that does come out, is I think for myself and can reason the information before me, without using my religious knowledge.

And come to a wrong conclusion.

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Whilst you just accept what you are told.

Nope - because I know what theories are and how science works and can look at and assess the evidence.

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I am sure many times you will use the above arguments but you will never be able to give a valid educated reasons for doing so.

See above.

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I want to learn and grow like everyone else. But not remain ignorant or unable to reason for myself. Because I don't share your view and others won't does not make us ignorant.

No, but displaying a lack of understanding of the science, of what theory means, what evolution is about and about the scientific method does though - not that I have used the word ignorant.

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Especially when we can explain why and what we believe based on having the same knowledge as you but using our own ability to reach a personal conclusion. Thanks for your reply.

You don't have the same knowledge though since you don't seem to understand what evolutionary theory is.

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #133 on: April 15, 2018, 03:59:08 PM »
So how do Angels manage to have wings and all their limbs and fly?

Is that a serious question Sassy?

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2018, 05:31:30 PM »
Is that a serious question Sassy?
... of course, and the same question applies to Pegasus.

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #135 on: April 15, 2018, 06:45:29 PM »
... of course, and the same question applies to Pegasus.

Angel the X-men, he has wings. What about him?

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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #136 on: April 15, 2018, 07:37:31 PM »
Angel the X-men, he has wings. What about him?
I hate to break it to you, but he isn't real.
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Re: Evolution of new species of finch observed
« Reply #137 on: April 15, 2018, 07:50:10 PM »
I hate to break it to you, but he isn't real.

That's the point.