Author Topic: should all free treatment be stopped for smokers?? (Read 8092 times)

Grace of God · « **Reply #50 on:** April 10, 2018, 09:42:45 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on April 10, 2018, 08:58:56 AM

Yes we should all be treated, but I think the priority should be people who aren't damaging their health deliberately like smokers, drinkers and those over eat.

I agree, it makes sense..

Rhiannon · « **Reply #51 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:36:05 AM »

Quote from: Steve H on April 10, 2018, 09:02:39 AM

The priority should be clinical need, and nothing else. If smokers are put behind non-smokers in the waiting list, they will never be treated, as there will always be non-smokers needing treatment.

It seems the some wouldn’t object to that.

Why is no one mentioning the benefits to the NHS of treating addictions and disordered eating?

wigginhall · « **Reply #52 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:38:37 AM »

I suppose AIDS would never have got treated, at least, people who were being BAD.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #53 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:39:29 AM »

Quote from: wigginhall on April 10, 2018, 10:38:37 AM

I suppose AIDS would never have got treated, at least, people who were being BAD.

Make that all STDs.

wigginhall · « **Reply #54 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:41:05 AM »

Yes, plus teenage pregnancy, more BAD people.

wigginhall · « **Reply #55 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:46:47 AM »

Can you imagine what a disgusting country this would be, if medical treatment depended on some kind of moral vetting? And who would do the vetting? Who are the moral arbiters? Bigots and racists, probably.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #56 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:59:15 AM »

Quote from: wigginhall on April 10, 2018, 10:46:47 AM

Can you imagine what a disgusting country this would be, if medical treatment depended on some kind of moral vetting? And who would do the vetting? Who are the moral arbiters? Bigots and racists, probably.

We’re already getting that with the refusal of treatment for Windrush children.

wigginhall · « **Reply #57 on:** April 10, 2018, 11:01:01 AM »

I'm still curious about drink drivers who crash. Leave them dying, as a warning to others?

Rhiannon · « **Reply #58 on:** April 10, 2018, 11:06:11 AM »

Quote from: wigginhall on April 10, 2018, 11:01:01 AM

I'm still curious about drink drivers who crash. Leave them dying, as a warning to others?

People participating in extreme sports?

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2018, 11:07:26 AM »

Quote from: wigginhall on April 10, 2018, 10:46:47 AM

Can you imagine what a disgusting country this would be, if medical treatment depended on some kind of moral vetting? And who would do the vetting? Who are the moral arbiters? Bigots and racists, probably.

I'm finding it quite alarming that some posters can't see the arguments against this 'moral outrage' approach to the issue.

Alarmed but not surprised. Sadly.

wigginhall · « **Reply #60 on:** April 10, 2018, 11:29:15 AM »

I think the Mrs Grundy types have always existed, but the internet gives them more of a voice. Think Mary Whitehouse. Judgmentalism at its nastiest.

ippy · « **Reply #61 on:** April 10, 2018, 12:03:50 PM »

Quote from: Steve H on April 09, 2018, 11:15:00 PM

Enjoying a bowl of Samuel Gawith's 'Commonwealth Mixture' in a billiard pipe as I write. Fuck the health nazis!

Your funeral.

Regards ippy

The Accountant, OBE, KC · « **Reply #62 on:** April 10, 2018, 12:27:05 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on April 10, 2018, 10:59:15 AM

We’re already getting that with the refusal of treatment for Windrush children.

I did not know about this - please can you post some links?

Rhiannon · « **Reply #63 on:** April 10, 2018, 01:10:22 PM »

Quote from: Gabriella on April 10, 2018, 12:27:05 PM

I did not know about this - please can you post some links?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth

Robbie · « **Reply #64 on:** April 10, 2018, 04:40:31 PM »

It's horrible and ridiculous, the man came from the Commonwealth and having lived and worked here for so many years must also count. I can only assume the official who told him he'd have to pay was so tied up in red tape, couldn't differentiate between him and a 'foreign visitor'.

I hope we get some follow up to this story - feel sure it will be put right. It's such an outrage.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #65 on:** April 10, 2018, 04:44:02 PM »

People in similar situations are being denied the right to work, claim benefits and are losing their local authority homes.

Grace of God · « **Reply #66 on:** April 10, 2018, 04:53:28 PM »

Quote from: Robbie on April 10, 2018, 04:40:31 PM

It's horrible and ridiculous, the man came from the Commonwealth and having lived and worked here for so many years must also count. I can only assume the official who told him he'd have to pay was so tied up in red tape, couldn't differentiate between him and a 'foreign visitor'.

I hope we get some follow up to this story - feel sure it will be put right. It's such an outrage.

he might have done better if he came from a european country, they can get in and treated completely free ..

torridon · « **Reply #67 on:** April 10, 2018, 04:55:05 PM »

Quote from: Grace of God on April 10, 2018, 04:53:28 PM

he might have done better if he came from a european country, they can get in and treated completely free ..

that's a reciprocal right, currently

Robbie · « **Reply #68 on:** April 10, 2018, 05:36:27 PM »

Yes at the moment & for us if we are taken ill in an EU country. However the Commonwealth surely has a reciprocal procedure - Malta always had one. The man in the story is a UK citizen though - surely he must be after so many years here. He came here with his mother who nursed in the NHS for goodness sake.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #69 on:** April 10, 2018, 06:13:30 PM »

At the time this man came into the UK were not Commonwealth citizens considered to be "British" citizens? In addition, he came from a colony and thus he would have been justified in believing that he was a British citizen (or even "subject").

Another own goal for May.

Robbie · « **Reply #70 on:** April 10, 2018, 06:47:20 PM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on April 10, 2018, 06:13:30 PM

At the time this man came into the UK were not Commonwealth citizens considered to be "British" citizens? In addition, he came from a colony and thus he would have been justified in believing that he was a British citizen (or even "subject").
Another own goal for May.

Yes!!!
I think it is just an administrative cock up. In the meantime he suffers but - hopefully not for long as the world and his wife will be up in arms about it

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #71 on:** April 10, 2018, 06:55:55 PM »

Quote from: Robbie on April 10, 2018, 06:47:20 PM

Yes!!!
I think it is just an administrative cock up. In the meantime he suffers but - hopefully not for long as the world and his wife will be up in arms about it

Theresa says no!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/22/theresa-may-refuses-to-intervene-over-mans-54000-nhs-cancer-bill-albert-thompson

Robbie · « **Reply #72 on:** April 10, 2018, 07:00:08 PM »

Silly old bat.
Surely it isn't just up to her. The medics involved, the hospital Trust, must be able to make a case and quickly.

Trent might know how it can be achieved.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #73 on:** April 10, 2018, 07:22:45 PM »

Perhaps it is part of her strategy: preparing the country for a postBrexit paradise governed by Rees Mogg.

Robbie · « **Reply #74 on:** April 10, 2018, 10:08:10 PM »

Not much of a paradise if people can't get NHS treatment.

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