if someone makes themselves unemployable??

[Grace of God]

Yep, having a nose piercing is the same as having sex in the store.


Note if you are having sex in while trying to sell me a car, then I suspect I will find you distracted from my questions.

if it is there choice and we have to "live" with it what is the difference??

[Robbie]

with facial tattoos, facial piercings, should they reduce or stop their benefits..

Much as I deplore such things facial tattoos and piercings do not stop people being employable.  Get real.

[Nearly Sane]

if it is there choice and we have to "live" with it what is the difference??

Well apart from ignoring the second sentence of my pist, because freedom for someone else if it doesn't affect things is the better argument for living togetgert. Else you support racism if most people agree with it because you are using an argumentum ad populum.

[Robbie]

Would you buy a used car from this man?

I have to say, "No". He would terrify me - but never seen anyone like him except on telly and that was someone in a gang in Mexico.

[Robbie]

I think people wrecking their appearance is crazy, I realise others don't see it my way, so we shall have to agree to differ.

I'm on your side on this one but it has a name, "Body dysmorphia".  Still, wouldn't stop someone being employable.

[Robbie]

it would effect their chance of employment, should they receive benefits when they are not helping themselves..
they could be reduced and t not die..

GofG, go to the Job Centre (somewhere I'm sure you've never been;  I have accompanied a couple of people there in the course of my work) - you will see JobCentre employees with plenty of tattoos and piercings!  So such things do not stop people getting jobs.

[Rhiannon]

I'm on your side on this one but it has a name, "Body dysmorphia".  Still, wouldn't stop someone being employable.

Not everyone who gets tatts and piercings does so as a result of dysmorphia. It’s mainstream, except for in its most extreme forms, and even then is becoming more commonplace now; it’s more of a ‘so what’ than ‘look at that’.

I’d be more bothered if my girls bleached their hair than got tatts. I suspect the latter is more likely anyway.

As an aside, the many-tattooed bloke I was dating also happened to be a part of the traveller community. He put together being tattooed with a prejudice against travellers. It suggests that mistrust of tattooed people has its origins in good old racial prejudice.

[Harrowby Hall]

Well apart from ignoring the second sentence of my pist,

Been taking lessons in French from Officer Crabtree?

Back to the post.

To an extent I share Floo's Littlerose's concerns. I don't like seeing tattoos and I feel them to be disfiguring ... but then, that's just me. But I know that I am not alone. However, I would not interfere with anyone's right to be employed in any position if he or she were qualified for that job.

What generally concerns me is that - to a great extent - they are statements of fashion and fashions change. The significant problems with tattoos are, firstly, pretty well permanent. A tattoo is for life. (Yes, I know that there are strategies for dealing with them but tattoo removal is uncertain and the result may as "bad" as the tattoo.) What may not be considered, when a tattoo is applied, is that over time the inks may fade and change colour and end up looking rather different from the original.

And what do you do if the circumstances existing at the time of the tattoo change. Will Vera be troubled by seeing a heart encircled by "Mabel" every time she looks at her husband's chest ... ?

[Rhiannon]

HH, people do know that tatts are permanent. They tend not to age well as skin sags and ink fades - in fact I know people who have had their tatts remodelled or refreshed later, which is also a way of dealing with unfortunate names etc.

People have the right to make mistakes. It’s a part of life. Same goes for cosmetic surgery, which is something I largely find baffling.

[SteveH]

Re. the thread title:
"If someone makes themselves unemployable..." what? The sentence is incomplete.
"Themselves" should be "themself".
One question-mark is emough.
In fact there should not be any question-mark, because the partial sentence is not a question.

[Harrowby Hall]

HH, people do know that tatts are permanent. They tend not to age well as skin sags and ink fades - in fact I know people who have had their tatts remodelled or refreshed later, which is also a way of dealing with unfortunate names etc.

People have the right to make mistakes. It’s a part of life. Same goes for cosmetic surgery, which is something I largely find baffling.

I don't disagree with a word of that, Rhiannon. I was just stating my own opinion. By the way, a tattoo is a form of cosmetic surgery ...

[Rhiannon]

I don't disagree with a word of that, Rhiannon. I was just stating my own opinion. By the way, a tattoo is a form of cosmetic surgery ...

Hmm, maybe. I guess you could throw piercings in there too. But the term used for both is ‘body modifications’. The cosmetic surgery stuff belongs in clinics and hospitals, or it should do. There’s a shocking lack of responsibility and stuff like Botox is administered by the unqualified. It’s not good.

[Robbie]

Laser removal of tattoos and various types of scars can be undertaken by someone who has only done a two day course with very little understanding of anatomy and physiology.

[Robbie]

Re. the thread title:
"If someone makes themselves unemployable..." what? The sentence is incomplete.
"Themselves" should be "themself".
One question-mark is emough.
In fact there should not be any question-mark, because the partial sentence is not a question.

Yep.

[Rhiannon]

Laser removal of tattoos and various types of scars can be undertaken by someone who has only done a two day course with very little understanding of anatomy and physiology.

Using lasers falls into the ‘surgery’ category, not least because of the resulting wounds. There isn’t anything like enough regulation.

[jeremyp]

Would you buy a used car from this man?

Would you buy a used car from this man.

He's got no tats or piercings and he is wearing a nice suit.