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Nearly Sane

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Re: Windrush
« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2018, 09:32:34 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on April 19, 2018, 09:26:58 AM
I have already stated my case and have nothing more to say about May at present.
And I asked you to explain the case since I didn't understand what you were saying. What 'case' did you 'rest'?
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« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2018, 02:23:40 PM »
Page down to the immigration debate to see May's approach. A disgrace as a Home Secretary and as PM.


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm131022/debtext/131022-0001.htm
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« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2018, 07:11:19 PM »
Tonights Tory Party election broadcast.

May has either reached new heights of control freakery or they cannot find any Tory Local Councillors who can sell local Toryism convincingly anymore
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« Reply #78 on: April 20, 2018, 07:12:43 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on April 18, 2018, 03:01:40 PM
People are screaming for May to resign, but I can't think of anyone else in her party who is up to the job.
Absolutely right, LR. It's so often a case of drag-'em-down in spite of the fact that there is no-one even in the distance who should be in her place right now.

I heard on Five Live last night a caller being given far too much air time to moan about Theresa May, saying that she just doesn't care, you can see it in her face, etc As if his opinion is of value and should  be shared by all with no caller to defend - well, there might have been but by then I had turned off!!
Of course, it is obvious that politicians make mistakes, they are human beings, but to expect them to be paragons of virtue is utterly ridiculous.
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Re: Windrush
« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2018, 07:17:28 AM »
Quote from: Robbie on April 18, 2018, 10:45:04 PM
I don't get that LR.
Didn't realise you were a Theresa May fan.
It's not a case of being a'fan', it is being realistic and practical.
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« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2018, 07:22:06 AM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on April 20, 2018, 07:17:28 AM
It's not a case of being a'fan', it is being realistic and practical.
To have a lying incompetent racist who was warned about this being likely to happen when she introduced the legislation as PM?
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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2018, 07:26:20 AM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on April 20, 2018, 07:12:43 AM
Absolutely right, LR. It's so often a case of drag-'em-down in spite of the fact that there is no-one even in the distance who should be in her place right now.

I heard on Five Live last night a caller being given far too much air time to moan about Theresa May, saying that she just doesn't care, you can see it in her face, etc As if his opinion is of value and should  be shared by all with no caller to defend - well, there might have been but by then I had turned off!!
Of course, it is obvious that politicians make mistakes, they are human beings, but to expect them to be paragons of virtue is utterly ridiculous.

I'd have thought being exposed as both an incompetent and a liar would be grounds enough to get rid of her, since she won't have the good grace to resign.

Still we must look on the bright side: as the Brexit car crash continues, given reports this morning that her rhetoric regarding the Irish border has been exposed as useless, we might get the chance to get rid of the Tory government before too long 

 
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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2018, 07:28:26 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on April 19, 2018, 08:41:12 AM
I don't rate May, I think David Cameron was a much better PM.

David Cameron's sole qualification for leadership of the Conservative Party was that his name is not Kenneth Clarke.

Ken Clarke - now approaching 80 - is probably too old to take on the mantle of leadership. His progression to the leadership of the party was dashed by the likes of John Deadwood and Bill Crash who are unwilling to leave the parliamentary equivalent of the Paleolithic Age.

One wonders what the state of the nation would be if he had been given the opportunity to become Prime Minister?
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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2018, 07:30:57 AM »
LR's main point was, I think, that she can't see anyone else in the Tory party who is competent to replace Theresa May.

Last night's Question Time was excellent with this very subject discussed from the start - for some time too. Interesting mix on the panel, Liz Truss MP, Emily Thornberry MP, Vince Cable MP, Nesrine Malik from the Guardian and Iain Dale, a broadcaster. Audience members seemed well informed. It was lively & a few things came out about Theresa May, pre-PM, that were certainly not widely known.

HH:- David Cameron's sole qualification for leadership of the Conservative Party was that his name is not Kenneth Clarke.

Yes.
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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2018, 07:36:33 AM »
No, I get what LR's point is, I just don't think it is a very good idea one since it means we have a lying incompetent racist as PM who is taking no responsibility. Having a PM who is a disgrace is not practical as it undermines the role.
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Re: Windrush
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2018, 07:40:29 AM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on April 20, 2018, 07:12:43 AM
Absolutely right, LR. It's so often a case of drag-'em-down in spite of the fact that there is no-one even in the distance who should be in her place right now.

I heard on Five Live last night a caller being given far too much air time to moan about Theresa May, saying that she just doesn't care, you can see it in her face, etc As if his opinion is of value and should  be shared by all with no caller to defend - well, there might have been but by then I had turned off!!
Of course, it is obvious that politicians make mistakes, they are human beings, but to expect them to be paragons of virtue is utterly ridiculous.

She was warned at the time of the legislation that this was pissible. She chose to introduce it as part of her externalities anyway. She was told when it did happen and ignored it. She has lied since about that and about her responsibility. She is a lying incompetent racist and you think that is ok for being PM.
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« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2018, 08:07:35 AM »
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Re: Windrush
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2018, 01:29:42 PM »
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« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2018, 09:44:42 PM »
We get the politicians we deserve. The referendum on the electoral system was remarkable in that nearly 80% of the electorate did not vote. The result was the continuation of two-party politics.

Theresa May blatently puts the interest of the Conservative Party before that of the nation. Brexit means Brexit really meant "there are UKIP supporters out there who will come to us if we support their cause."  The goal was not the best future for the country but Conservatives in power.

Windrush is a further manifestation of the same kind of thinking. The perceived wisdom was that immigrants were disliked by a significant number of voters who, if the right kind of hostility could be shown towards obvious people of non UK origin, then people would flock to the Conservative Party.

Both strategies were flawed. May is looking more and more perilous - almost daily.
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Re: Windrush
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2018, 09:58:29 PM »
The choice in the electoral system was a false one with almost no additional representation.
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« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2018, 01:34:50 PM »
Have I got this straight? May thinks the Windrush scandal is merely a ruse to let illegal immigrants in?
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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2018, 01:43:21 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 25, 2018, 01:34:50 PM
Have I got this straight? May thinks the Windrush scandal is merely a ruse to let illegal immigrants in?
What did she say that leads you to the conclusion?
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« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2018, 01:46:46 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 25, 2018, 01:43:21 PM
What did she say that leads you to the conclusion?
IMV She has accused Corbyn of supporting illegal immigration and going against the wishes of the GBP.
The hostile environment is a good thing and only affects illegal immigrants according to her at PMQ.
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« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2018, 01:48:24 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 25, 2018, 01:46:46 PM
IMV She has accused Corbyn of supporting illegal immigration and going against the wishes of the GBP.
The hostile environment is a good thing and only affects illegal immigrants according to her at PMQ.
I think you need to quote to make the argument.
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« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2018, 02:03:07 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 25, 2018, 01:48:24 PM
I think you need to quote to make the argument.
I am reporting what I have heard sounds like to me and am seeking conformation or otherwise. My sources are LBC and The Guardian.
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Re: Windrush
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2018, 06:34:30 PM »
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« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2018, 06:38:25 PM »
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« Reply #97 on: April 26, 2018, 09:32:35 AM »
You say targets, Amber says no....You say targets. Amber says no
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« Reply #98 on: April 26, 2018, 09:42:29 AM »
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« Reply #99 on: April 26, 2018, 10:27:51 AM »
It seems to me though that all Rudd and May have to do is say the magic words ''illegal immigrant'' and they become the darlings of the GBP.
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