Windrush

[Harrowby Hall]

I think that it may be just a little more complex than that, Vlad.

May has impaled herself on the cross of Brexit. My judgement is that "Brexit means Brexit" had nothing to do with leaving the EU - that stuff could come later - but with making the Tory party a home-from-home for UKIPpers. (In other words providing a substantial semi-permanent electoral majority.)

Since UKIP's main gripe appeared to be all those bloody foreigners blocking up hospitals, swamping schools and claiming endless benefits, May has to be seen to be doing something about them. I suspect that she believed that since the average UKIPper's brain contains only three working neurones, anybody seen being thrown out of the country would gladden his or her heart.

She picked the wrong victims.

[Nearly Sane]

I think that it may be just a little more complex than that, Vlad.

May has impaled herself on the cross of Brexit. My judgement is that "Brexit means Brexit" had nothing to do with leaving the EU - that stuff could come later - but with making the Tory party a home-from-home for UKIPpers. (In other words providing a substantial semi-permanent electoral majority.)

Since UKIP's main gripe appeared to be all those bloody foreigners blocking up hospitals, swamping schools and claiming endless benefits, May has to be seen to be doing something about them. I suspect that she believed that since the average UKIPper's brain contains only three working neurones, anybody seen being thrown out of the country would gladden his or her heart.

She picked the wrong victims.

I think that's the important point. This wasn't an accident. It was deliberate, and May was warned at the time and chose to ignore that. She should stop with the pose that it was accidental and resign.

[SusanDoris]

Andrew Green of Migration Watch and a woman from I don't know which group were on Radio 4 some time yesterday. Andrew Green pointed out that to award an amnesty was to sanction illegality; the other interviewee seemed to be rather clouded in her thinking.

All these issues seem to me to be waffling around without common sense and rationality.

[Nearly Sane]

Andrew Green of Migration Watch and a woman from I don't know which group were on Radio 4 some time yesterday. Andrew Green pointed out that to award an amnesty was to sanction illegality; the other interviewee seemed to be rather clouded in her thinking.

All these issues seem to me to be waffling around without common sense and rationality.

It isn't an amnesty.

[Udayana]

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All these issues seem to me to be waffling around without common sense and rationality.

That's because the government is trying to cloud the issue, blaming Labour and trying to conflate it with illegal immigration.

[SusanDoris]

It isn't an amnesty.

No, but that is the issue that had apparently been raised that they were talking about.

[Nearly Sane]

No, but that is the issue that had apparently been raised that they were talking about.

Sorry, you need to expand this. What was the 'amnesty' and who had raised it?

[Udayana]

Boris Johnson, to conflate with illegal immigration.

[Nearly Sane]

Boris Johnson, to conflate with illegal immigration.

He's a lying poltroon.

[Rhiannon]

I think that's the important point. This wasn't an accident. It was deliberate, and May was warned at the time and chose to ignore that. She should stop with the pose that it was accidental and resign.

She won’t though, will she?

I think the mood on the country is changing. I feel - and I know feelings aren’t a reliable guide to anything - that people are now realising the consequences of the push towards anti immigration policies. People have had enough of the fear and blame game.

[Nearly Sane]

She won’t though, will she?

I think the mood on the country is changing. I feel - and I know feelings aren’t a reliable guide to anything - that people are now realising the consequences of the push towards anti immigration policies. People have had enough of the fear and blame game.

No, she won't. She has no integrity.

I hope you are right but I watch as Rees Mogg reinvents himself and am not sanguine. He voted for the legislation.

[SusanDoris]

Sorry, you need to expand this. What was the 'amnesty' and who had raised it?

Possible amnesty for all illegal immigrants who had spent more than 10 years here being good citizens. The woman said they had not been in trouble, had paid taxes, etc. AG pointed out that this was most unlikely to be known and unlikely, if I remember correctly, that they would want to declare themselves illegal immigrants. AG said that if they wanted to stay, perhaps they should apply for asylum. It was an interesting conversation but ended without resolution, not surprisingly.

[Dicky Underpants]

The idea that this can be blamed on mistakes by civil servants as opposed to a result of Tory policy is a shocking piece of lying. May should resign.

Can't help thinking that there seems to have been quite a number of civil servants only too willing to jump the gun - as they were in issuing fuck-off notices to foreign nationals who had been living here for 20 years or more, just as soon as the Brexit referendum result was through.
Presumably some of said jacks-in-office have got enough brains to start questioning ludicrous and ultimately sadistic policies before they start implementing them to the extent they have done. Or was it just a case of "I voz only abeyink orders".
That said, May ought to admit that "the buck stops with her".

[Nearly Sane]

Can't help thinking that there seems to have been quite a number of civil servants only too willing to jump the gun - as they were in issuing fuck-off notices to foreign nationals who had been living here for 20 years or more, just as soon as the Brexit referendum result was through.
Presumably some of said jacks-in-office have got enough brains to start questioning ludicrous and ultimately sadistic policies before they start implementing them to the extent they have done. Or was it just a case of "I voz only abeyink orders".
That said, May ought to admit that "the buck stops with her".

Nope, this about legislation introduced by May. If you think blaming civil servants for implementing said legislation here is useful you merely buy into the distraction that Rudd and May are trying to use.

[Dicky Underpants]

Nope, this about legislation introduced by May. If you think blaming civil servants for implementing said legislation here is useful you merely buy into the distraction that Rudd and May are trying to use.

Yes, at the very least Rudd and May have shown blundering incompetence and lack of foresight if they did not realise the implications of their more stringent immigration policies. "Whoops! We honestly didn't think it would have such repercussions on the Windrush generation and their children"
And for such incompetence (rather than any inherent racism) they should both resign.
Nonetheless, I think the whole situation (and Brexit) has highlighted some very evil-smelling aspects in the higher ranks of the Civil Service too - I'm sure some of their Humphrey Applebeys would be more than a little pleased to tell anyone whom they considered not truly 'British' to fuck off to where they came from - and to remain utterly anonymous in the process.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, at the very least Rudd and May have shown blundering incompetence and lack of foresight if they did not realise the implications of their more stringent immigration policies. "Whoops! We honestly didn't think it would have such repercussions on the Windrush generation and their children"
And for such incompetence (rather than any inherent racism) they should both resign.
Nonetheless, I think the whole situation (and Brexit) has highlighted some very evil-smelling aspects to the higher ranks in the Civil Service too - I'm sure some of their Humphrey Applebeys would be more than a little pleased to tell anyone whom they considered not truly 'British' to fuck off to where they came from - and to remain utterly anonymous in the process.

May was told at the time of the legislation - so this was a deliberate decision. It is not  just incompetence. It was a deliberate choice by May that she is now lying about.

[Nearly Sane]

Peter Bone in Channel 4 news more worried about Rudd's comments on the single market than her not knowing what is going on at the Home Office. In part because he is a lying racist dick unwilling to take responsibility for deliberately voting for the Windrush scandal.

[SteveH]

I think that's the important point. This wasn't an accident. It was deliberate, and May was warned at the time and chose to ignore that. She should stop with the pose that it was accidental and resign.

If she had any integrity at all, she'd've resigned last year, after the disastrous (for the Tories) and unnecessary election, when she threw away the party's majority. She is completely shameless, and so won't resign.

[Harrowby Hall]

Being in office appears to be more important to Theresa May than being effective in office. Her primary objective appears to be to keep the Conservative Party together than to govern the United Kingdom. There are (gutter) press reports - reliability unknown - that David Davis is ready to resign over the direction that Brexit is taking.

However, the worst aspect of this failed and failing administration is the continued refusal of Amber Rudd to acknowledge her (at least) lack of vigilance and of May her responsibility for trying to expel a specific contingent of United Kingdon citizens.

[floo]

Rudd should do the decent thing and resign.

[Aruntraveller]

HH you are being too kind

As someone might say:

"lack of vigilance"  my arse

[Harrowby Hall]

HH you are being too kind

As someone might say:

"lack of vigilance"  my arse

I did say "(at least) lack of vigilance".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm wondering whether the concurrent to the establishment of ''The Hostile Environment'', The attack on legal aid, was part of the plan.

[Aruntraveller]

Stewart Lee on eviscerating form:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/29/the-racists-won-so-are-they-happy-now-stewart-lee?CMP=fb_gu

[Gordon]

Things seem to be getting worse for Ms Rudd.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43940476