Veroufakis

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Veroufakis here:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/20/yanis-varoufakis-marx-crisis-communist-manifesto

In which he suggests that ownership as a social group cannot help itself in making the lot of labour progressively harsher.

Evidence here:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/apr/20/world-bank-fewer-regulations-protecting-workers

Wanting to do worse things to workers is either down to a self dehumanising drive to maximise one's own wealth or slavery to directing one's power into harmful ends or both.

[Nearly Sane]

Odd that you got his name wrong. I'd  might try to take issue with your comment 'that ownership as a social group cannot help itself in making the lot of labour progressively harsher' but since ownership as a social group doesn't seem to make much sense, that's difficult. Further you seem in the idea of 'cannot help' be implying an inevitability that Varoufakis doesn't ascribe to. Indeed your OP has a note of pessimism in it which seems a misreading of the article which is quite balanced in its approach.

As to the evidence - it's odd that you ignore that this seems a recent move as opposed to the 2011 report and using one data point as a tend as you appear to do here isn't evidence of a thesis of trending inevitability. Perhaps you need to lay out your ideas a bit more thoroughly and clearly.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Odd that you got his name wrong. I'd  might try to take issue with your comment 'that ownership as a social group cannot help itself in making the lot of labour progressively harsher' but since ownership as a social group doesn't seem to make much sense, that's difficult. Further you seem in the idea of 'cannot help' be implying an inevitability that Varoufakis doesn't ascribe to. Indeed your OP has a note of pessimism in it which seems a misreading of the article which is quite balanced in its approach.

As to the evidence - it's odd that you ignore that this seems a recent move as opposed to the 2011 report and using one data point as a tend as you appear to do here isn't evidence of a thesis of trending inevitability. Perhaps you need to lay out your ideas a bit more thoroughly and clearly.

Of course it makes sense. The world is dividing into those who make money by ownership and those who make money by labour and are owning less and less even though they are working more and more.

I'd like to see you take issue with that.

[Nearly Sane]

Of course it makes sense. The world is dividing into those who make money by ownership and those who make money by labour and are owning less and less even though they are working more and more.

I'd like to see you take issue with that.

Since you have ignored the point covering the single data point taken as evidence of a trend, am I to take it that you accept you were wrong to call that evidence?

I've seen various figures showing different things about the growth of making money by ownership, perhaps you might like to cite some clear figures and show the trend, rather than a single data point for that? Also your point here doesn't tie up clearly with your original statement that I said I didn't understand which was 'that ownership as a social group cannot help itself in making the lot of labour progressively harsher'. This was because I don't think you can define ownership as a social class and your idea that the world is divided into those making money through ownership and those from working is a false dichotomy as indicated by the housing market in this country.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Since you have ignored the point covering the single data point taken as evidence of a trend, am I to take it that you accept you were wrong to call that evidence?

I think reducing the advice of the world bank to reduce the employment rights of the worlds workers to a 'data point' is a reduction too far.
This is how they get away with it Sane....The Mays of this world etc.

[Nearly Sane]

I think reducing the advice of the world bank to reduce the employment rights of the worlds workers to a 'data point' is a reduction too far.
This is how they get away with it Sane....The Mays of this world etc.

Since arguing a single data point is indicative of a trend is either numerically illiterate, or lying, then you need to get better arguments. That the people you argue against may be unpleasant does not make your argument any better.