Local Government Elections

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Will love of the Conservatives mean disappointment for Labour?
Will not gaining Barnet equal a national rout of Labour?
Can the BBC turn things round for the Conservatives?
Will the hostile environment rally the Tories?

Funny story from Havering where apparently Ukip councillorship campaigned for independence from London calling it Hexit.

[SteveH]

Fingers crossed for a Tory wipe-out.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Fingers crossed for a Tory wipe-out.

The Tory spin generators are beginning to gyrate even faster. No doubt a Scottish engineer is shouting through a tube that 'the engines canna take it'.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Tory disenfranchisement scheme working in areas where ID is required.

[SteveH]

Tory disenfranchisement scheme working in areas where ID is required.

Some wag described their voter-ID scheme as "a solution in search of a problem".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Some wag described their voter-ID scheme as "a solution in search of a problem".

People should go in two's. There may , I would have thought be the chance of a claim against individuals attempting to stop your Human rights.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hostile environment popular and swinging it for the tories.

[floo]

Labour hasn't done as well as they had hoped. I reckon they might do better without Corbyn as leader. At least the ghastly UKIP has been almost wiped out, which is good.

[Nearly Sane]

Labour hasn't done as well as they had hoped. I reckon they might do better without Corbyn as leader. At least the ghastly UKIP has been almost wiped out, which is good.

UKIP  will be quite pleased, surely? First Brexit, and now having won overall control of the Tory party. 

[floo]

UKIP  will be quite pleased, surely? First Brexit, and now having won overall control of the Tory party. 

HA! HA!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Labour hasn't done as well as they had hoped. I reckon they might do better without Corbyn as leader. At least the ghastly UKIP has been almost wiped out, which is good.

I don't see any evidence that labour would do better without Corbyn. After 2015 the love in England was having with the right handed the Tories a majority. May lost that in what is still the greatest act of political incompetence and in the face of excellent Local election results.

The message was the electorate took exception to Mays expectation that the country would line up for a shafting.

Corbyn got the youth vote out, the local elections show deadlock between Tories and labour even with all Tories now back in the fold. Also I wonder if youth which has put Corbyn where he is today would I imagine youth voting in as great numbers in local elections, no.

On the other hand Jez is getting on, has no natural successor and the Blairites have not taken part in the Labour Party because they are frightened to be seen in opposition, any opposition Ummuna being the prime example.

All this might convince T May to risk asking the electorate to bend over in 2022.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Surely now nobody can doubt the antilabour, protory character of BBC political coverage.
Like others I'm sure, I made a list of every antilabour tactic/trope their coverage could take and they didn't disappoint.

[Robbie]

Disappointing.

[Rhiannon]

It’s all a bit weird, isn’t it? I guess in uncertain times people stick with what they know. Like a dog that returns to the master that beats him.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Tory's think Corbyn has peaked.
Does that mean they think May can get her landslide at the next election?

[wigginhall]

It’s all a bit weird, isn’t it? I guess in uncertain times people stick with what they know. Like a dog that returns to the master that beats him.

Or returns to its vomit.

[Nearly Sane]

Or some people see it as the lesser of two weevils? And some think the Tory party best represent them for a number of different reasons. Or as they might feel in Birmingham for which we are still waiting, that the Labour party screwed up over bons. Add in the FPTP system and the collapse of UKIP and we have what John Pienaar described as two sumo wrestlers pushing against one and other. It's not that much different from the GE.


The next election should it be in 2022 as scheduled isn't going to be based on where we are now.  It's all a bit phony war at moment


I'd agree with Vlad, I don't think a change of leader would do much for the Labour Party not least because in order to get that change it would be more likely to tear itself apart.

[wigginhall]

Also, there isn't an obvious non-Corbyn candidate, Starmer I suppose, very exciting. 

[floo]

Surely now nobody can doubt the antilabour, protory character of BBC political coverage.
Like others I'm sure, I made a list of every antilabour tactic/trope their coverage could take and they didn't disappoint.

I think the BBC gives unbiased reporting.

[Nearly Sane]

Also, there isn't an obvious non-Corbyn candidate, Starmer I suppose, very exciting.

I would suspect a non exciting leader who is not an incompetent lying racist might do quite well. The problem is there is no way that any one other than Corbyn can win in the Labour Party at the moment, and I don't see him handing over the reins any time soon.  I think there's a substantial number of voters on both sides who see it as a vote against the other party. I suppose the Lib Dems can feel a little pleased with these results but their message is hardly surging.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think the BBC gives unbiased reporting.

Too much focus on the opposition. To the point that any failure marked a major resurgence in Conservatism and potential labour defeat at the General Election. Complete ignoring of the 2017 GE  or partying as if it was April 2017. Generally giving the impression that any success Corbyn has had is a blip on the road to some kind of Tory Landslide.

If we put it another way the impression that only labour can have reached high water mark, a favourite of Andrew Niels and now that that its over the implication is natural and perpetual sunny Tory uplands...completely ignoring that the Local elections of 2014 represented a Tory High water mark.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Problems for Tories

Now effectively UKIP
Did the young vote in the local elections?
Delivering a brexit that works for the bulk of brexiteers.

Problems for Labour

Not many potential heirs of Blair who want to be arsed to be seen in opposition.
Not many heirs of Corbyn who look anything more than the opposition.
Corbyns beard. Off or more body one or the other.

[Nearly Sane]

Problems for Tories

Now effectively UKIP
Did the young vote in the local elections?

Problems for Labour

Not many potential heirs of Blair who want to be arsed to be seen in opposition.
Not many heirs of Corbyn who look anything more than the opposition.

I think it's too simplistic to say the Tories are now UKIP. I think they have got some votes back that they lost to UKIP but Labour haven't got those votes back they lost to UKIP.


I think it's unclear quite how big the youth vote surge was at the last GE and easy to overestimate it. It's also not guaranteed to be the same next GE.

I think the Tories biggest problem by far is Brexit, and the chance of any truce that is there at the moment dissolving when a decision has to be made.


Labour's biggest problem is it's not a functioning party on most issues.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think it's too simplistic to say the Tories are now UKIP. I think they have got some votes back that they lost to UKIP but Labour haven't got those votes back they lost to UKIP.


I think it's unclear quite how big the youth vote surge was at the last GE and easy to overestimate it. It's also not guaranteed to be the same next GE.

I think the Tories biggest problem by far is Brexit, and the chance of any truce that is there at the moment dissolving when a decision has to be made.


Labour's biggest problem is it's not a functioning party on most issues.

The latter is true of the conservatives isn't it? Why do you think it is less significant for the Tories?

Too determine whether it is to simplistic to say tories is now UKIP, you said something similar we have to look at where there council seats have gone to.

[Nearly Sane]

The latter is true of the conservatives isn't it? Why do you think it is less significant for the Tories?

Too determine whether it is to simplistic to say tories is now UKIP, you said something similar we have to look at where there council seats have gone to.

I think the Tory party functions on most things - But not Brexit which is the crucial thing they have to function on. I didn't mention this being less significance, indeed I think it's of greater significance since if it blows up, I can't see how they stay in govt and think there would be  a split. 


The point about the Tories being UKIP being too simplistic is that it's merely support that they used to have and that wasn't a problem for them. That they appear to have gained some voters that went from Labour to UKIP, isn't an issue either. Yu yourself have been noting that the hostile environment isn't a problem.