'When is a massacre not a massacre?'

[Nearly Sane]

Valid points, I think.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/when-is-a-massacre-not-a-massacre/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You can almost hear Newsbeat describing this as a "spot of bother"

[Anchorman]

I think the media is tip-toeing around Israel....given the recent upaurge in reported antisemitism. The fact that Israeli brutality in this unequal struggle has diddly squat to do with Judaism is glossed over in the effort to publcise the 'democracy' of Israel....a rather skewed democracy, because, were it truly democratic, I very much doubt Netanyahu would be anywhere near power today.

[SweetPea]

Many killed and many injured and Bibi says, "What a wonderful day...."  smh..

[SweetPea]

I think the media is tip-toeing around Israel....given the recent upaurge in reported antisemitism. The fact that Israeli brutality in this unequal struggle has diddly squat to do with Judaism is glossed over in the effort to publcise the 'democracy' of Israel....a rather skewed democracy, because, were it truly democratic, I very much doubt Netanyahu would be anywhere near power today.

Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.

[Nearly Sane]

Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.

in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?

[SweetPea]

in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?

This is a short video explaining how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0n_FHSJow

[jeremyp]

in what sense is the media Zionist controlled? And how do I distinguish between that and standard anti semitism?

Well people who support the state of Israel existing are sometimes labelled zionist.

[Nearly Sane]

'Tragic events on the Gazan border; all civilian deaths are regrettable. Hamas must accept responsibility for these events. Their successful attempt to hijack peaceful protest as cover to attack Israeli border communities must be condemned by all who seek peace in the Middle East.'


Tweet from Labour Friends of Israel. Not entirely sure given those who are members of LFI how the party can manage a coherent position on Israel.

[Robbie]

This is a short video explaining how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0n_FHSJow

Rupert Murdoch (Mr Jerry Hall), is (or was) an extremely powerful media mogul, SP, and not Jewish.

You are obsessed with people like Rothschilds. Grow up, ditch the likes of David Icke. You were all over Grace of God recently who turned out to be a wind up merchant.

[floo]

Israel is no better than the Muslim extremist mob.

[Anchorman]

Well people who support the state of Israel existing are sometimes labelled zionist.

 



I support the state of Israel existing.
I'd defend its' right to exist with my last breath.
Equally Isupport itreturning to its' internationally recognised borders, and the state of Palestine existing.
If I support Israel's right to exist so fervently, am I a Zionist, then?

[floo]

Israel exists, but the way it came into being was disgusting and wrong.

[Enki]

Jim, the media are tip-toeing around Israel because mainstream media is Zionist controlled. Re anti-Semitism, the irony being those calling others anti-Semites are themselves the anti-Semites.... the Palestinians are the semites.

I wholeheartedly support Anchorman's position as described in post 11.

A perfectly reasonable discussion on recent and on going events is no justification for you to plug your ridiculously bigotted and unevidenced assertion that the mainstream media is Zionist controlled. You can't even face up to the fact that antisemitism is clearly and plainly a description of prejudice towards Jews. Finally you insultingly and wrongly suggest that those who call out antisemitism are antisemitic themselves, with your preposterous assumption that to do so , you have to be anti Palestinian simply because they are semites too. Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. I call others out as antisemitic if I think they are simply showing prejudice towards Jews. I have no prejudice towards the Palestinians. Indeed I have a great deal of sympathy for the position they find themselves in, and would strongly criticise Israel for what looks like to me an excessive use of force.

[Aruntraveller]

I wholeheartedly support Anchorman's position as described in post 11.

A perfectly reasonable discussion on recent and on going events is no justification for you to plug your ridiculously bigotted and unevidenced assertion that the mainstream media is Zionist controlled. You can't even face up to the fact that antisemitism is clearly and plainly a description of prejudice towards Jews. Finally you insultingly and wrongly suggest that those who call out antisemitism are antisemitic themselves, with your preposterous assumption that to do so , you have to be anti Palestinian simply because they are semites too. Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. I call others out as antisemitic if I think they are simply showing prejudice towards Jews. I have no prejudice towards the Palestinians. Indeed I have a great deal of sympathy for the position they find themselves in, and would strongly criticise Israel for what looks like to me an excessive use of force.

Completely agree.

[jeremyp]

am I a Zionist, then?

Some people would say yes.

[SteveH]

It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.

[Aruntraveller]

It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.

I do wish you'd stop holding back. Come on say what you really think

Again completely agree.

[Anchorman]

It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.

"vicious country"?
Don't you mean "vicious regime"?
I can think of many Israelis - Orthodox Jews, Messianic Jews, secular Jews - wo vehemently dispute Netanyahu's policies, and totally reject Trumps idea of Jerusalem as exclusive capital of a one-state Israel.

[SteveH]

"vicious country"?
Don't you mean "vicious regime"?
I can think of many Israelis - Orthodox Jews, Messianic Jews, secular Jews - wo vehemently dispute Netanyahu's policies, and totally reject Trumps idea of Jerusalem as exclusive capital of a one-state Israel.

Yes, all right, "vicious regime", if you prefer.

[ad_orientem]

It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.

Spot on.

[trippymonkey]

Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.

One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim'  side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'

[Nearly Sane]

Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.

One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim'  side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'

And I meet many Jewish friends who think the Israeli govt is horrendous.

[Anchorman]

Many times I meet Israeli/Jewish friends on my India trips & sometimes we chat about how the media portrays them & their supposed treatment of the so-called 'Palestinians.

One friend said 'you have no idea of what's going on from the 'Muslim'  side as so much is never reported to you all in the west.'

 




Wot.....such as a good proportion of Palestinians - yes, Palestinians - are not, in fact, Moslem, but Christian?
That these were treated in exactly the same way seventy years ago - kicked out of house, ho,e and church to make way for 'settlers'?
Some of these Christian communities traced their history in the area back more than fourteen centuries.
They have as much - if not more - right to the land as those who illegally occupy it today.

[Enki]

It's about time we stopped pussyfooting around with that vicious country, and told the fanatical Zionists, who try to illegitimise all criticism of Israel with accusations of antisemitism, Tostick their definition of antisemitism where the sun don't shine, and stop their disgraceful guilt-manipulation, which dishonours the millions of holocaust dead.

I agree completely Steve H, with the proviso, which you have accepted, that you replace 'vicious country' with 'vicious regime'.