World Cup 2018

[Nearly Sane]

Columbia is notorious for its drug barons, so I don't think that joke is particularly Manningesque.

Seems the definition of stereotyping.

[jeremyp]

Seems the definition of stereotyping.

Are you saying the Columbian drug cartels aren't really that bad?

If you think that joke was stereotyping, you should have heard what my boss said about the Russians  today.

[Nearly Sane]

Are you saying the Columbian drug cartels aren't really that bad?

If you think that joke was stereotyping, you should have heard what my boss said about the Russians  today.

For the first question, thanks for the straw.


For the second question, your argument is that if you only punch people, it's ok because others knife them.

[jeremyp]

For the first question, thanks for the straw.

You were the one that claimed it was stereotyping. Columbia does have a serious problem with drugs cartels. It's not a stereotype, it's true.

For the second question, your argument is that if you only punch people, it's ok because others knife them.

I see you have constructed your own straw man.

[Nearly Sane]

You were the one that claimed it was stereotyping. Columbia does have a serious problem with drugs cartels. It's not a stereotype, it's true.
I see you have constructed your own straw man.

Some y do x,  therefore all y do x. That's stereotyping.

And nope, sorry just because you used a lousy argument doesn't make it a strawman  from me. Your idea that someone said something very racist, doesn't make someone less racist, not racist.

[ad_orientem]

I thought we controlled the game except for that one lapse in concentration at 90 odd minutes when Colombia scored. They'll learn from that though. We do need to get more goals from open play but to be fair Colombia did set up very defensively with a back four and three defensive midfielders and defended our set pieces well. Magnificent save by Pickford in that shootout. Southgate seems to have got that team believing in themselves and winning that penalty shootout will only lift their confidence. Can't wait for the next game.

[SusanDoris]

I turned on Five Live and started listening ... then stayed listening right to the very end!! It was definitely interesting enough to keep me awake!

[Rhiannon]

Interesting turn of phrase from Southgate re 'Englishman'. I notice the BBC has turned this into 'England fan' in its headline but not in its direct quote. I was going to say that I would have thought the FA would have given Southgate instructions on using inclusive language, but then I laughed at my own daftness.

[SteveH]

Are you saying the Columbian drug cartels aren't really that bad?

If you think that joke was stereotyping, you should have heard what my boss said about the Russians  today.

NS specialises in sanctimonious, self-righteous sneers at other people's posts. Take no notice.

[Rhiannon]

And your joke was shit.

Can we get back to the footie?

[wigginhall]

Phew, exhausting to watch.   They did OK, and showed resilience.   Beginning of extra time was rocky, but they came back.   It's so hard to score in open play, and no doubt Sweden will set up a tank-trap defence.  Keep going.  Trippier quite brilliant.

[Nearly Sane]

NS specialises in sanctimonious, self-righteous sneers at other people's posts. Take no notice.

I love you too, darling!


Anyway, Sweden, no pushovers. I disagree with wigginhall that they will do anything specific in terms of defence. They will play their normal current style which is very similar to Leicester when they won the Premiership.

[ekim]

As entertainment, I preferred the Belgium/Japan match as there appeared to be no aggressive gamesmanship going on.  England did well to survive considering the last minute equaliser and what appeared to be 90% of the crowd against them.  Still if they ever meet Russia in the tournament, that experience might strengthen them.

[Rhiannon]

As entertainment, I preferred the Belgium/Japan match as there appeared to be no aggressive gamesmanship going on.  England did well to survive considering the last minute equaliser and what appeared to be 90% of the crowd against them.  Still if they ever meet Russia in the tournament, that experience might strengthen them.

Yes, it was a terrible match to watch. Much better football has been played. But, we are still in it.

[Rhiannon]

I am strangely cheered by seeing David Baddiel's tweet of himself and Frank Skinner celebrating the win on his sofa. Some things change, some things stay the same...

[wigginhall]

Yes, not attractive football,  except in a kind of grim clenched way.   But, I guess it suited.

[Nearly Sane]

I am strangely cheered by seeing David Baddiel's tweet of himself and Frank Skinner celebrating the win on his sofa. Some things change, some things stay the same...

That was rather lovely. I got annoyed at some of my fellow Scots moaning about it. Just a couple of football fans, happy that their team had won.


I'm sorry to have missed Baddiel's latest show while it was touring.

[ad_orientem]

Phew, exhausting to watch.   They did OK, and showed resilience.   Beginning of extra time was rocky, but they came back.   It's so hard to score in open play, and no doubt Sweden will set up a tank-trap defence.  Keep going.  Trippier quite brilliant.

Sweden have played 4-4-2 for what seems forever. The way they play is rather uninspiring but they manage to grind out results playing not very pretty football. We ain't got the best record against them either. There is something different about this England team compared to previous one that might cause Sweden trouble though. I love the way we're passing the ball about with confidence and the way we're defending from the front. On Saturday we shall see.

Trippier is a great crosser of the ball. He just gets it in that sweet spot so often. Stones and Maguire were good too and aren't afraid to push up. I also noticed Sterling tracking back really well. I'm happy.

[Nearly Sane]

Sweden have played 4-4-2 for what seems forever. The way they play is rather uninspiring but they manage to grind out results playing not very pretty football. We ain't got the best record against them either. There is something different about this England team compared to previous one that might cause Sweden trouble though. I love the way we're passing the ball about with confidence and the way we're defending from the front. On Saturday we shall see.

Trippier is a great crosser of the ball. He just gets it in that sweet spot so often. Stones and Maguire were good too and aren't afraid to push up. I also noticed Sterling tracking back really well. I'm happy.

They don't have players of the same calibre as they have had in the past. They usually had a proven goalscorer. Agree about Sterling - thought when he went off it affected the style a lot and Kane dropped deeper which isn't right thing.

[ekim]

Sweden have played 4-4-2 for what seems forever. The way they play is rather uninspiring but they manage to grind out results playing not very pretty football. We ain't got the best record against them either.

Yes, I remember the newspaper attack on the manager Graham Taylor at Euro 1992 with the headline "Swedes 2 Turnips 1"

[jeremyp]

Some y do x,  therefore all y do x. That's stereotyping.

Another straw man. Nobody said that all Columbians are drug dealers.

And nope, sorry just because you used a lousy argument doesn't make it a strawman  from me. Your idea that someone said something very racist, doesn't make someone less racist, not racist.

The straw man was you pretending that the statement I made was an argument at all. Furthermore, I did not claim anybody said anything racist.

[jeremyp]

Can we get back to the footie?

The England win has ruined my weekend. I had planned a relaxing afternoon with some friends with a few beers and maybe a barbecue. Now I'm going to be enduring two - maybe three - hours of buttock clutching tension capped with perhaps five minutes of elation or weeks of crushed dreams and bitter disappointment.

On a positive note, given that this is the World Cup that Putin bought, humiliating the English bid team in the process, it would be rather nice to knock them out in the semi-finals.

[Nearly Sane]

The England win has ruined my weekend. I had planned a relaxing afternoon with some friends with a few beers and maybe a barbecue. Now I'm going to be enduring two - maybe three - hours of buttock clutching tension capped with perhaps five minutes of elation or weeks of crushed dreams and bitter disappointment.

On a positive note, given that this is the World Cup that Putin bought, humiliating the English bid team in the process, it would be rather nice to knock them out in the semi-finals.

It's the hope that kills you. As a Scotland and Morton fan, this is not a problem for me.

[wigginhall]

Sweden have played 4-4-2 for what seems forever. The way they play is rather uninspiring but they manage to grind out results playing not very pretty football. We ain't got the best record against them either. There is something different about this England team compared to previous one that might cause Sweden trouble though. I love the way we're passing the ball about with confidence and the way we're defending from the front. On Saturday we shall see.

Trippier is a great crosser of the ball. He just gets it in that sweet spot so often. Stones and Maguire were good too and aren't afraid to push up. I also noticed Sterling tracking back really well. I'm happy.

Pretty accurate.   I'm not a Sterling fan.   I think England lack a top creative player like Hazard, and the Alli/Lingard/Sterling axis were rather muted.  Still, it kind of works.  Life is so good without Rooney.

[Nearly Sane]

This is brilliant from Southgate.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44715244