Author Topic: World Cup 2018 (Read 28479 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #400 on:** July 08, 2018, 04:02:27 PM »

Good article by Mark Perryman

https://culturematters.org.uk/index.php/itemlist/user/283-markperryman

wigginhall · « **Reply #401 on:** July 08, 2018, 05:49:23 PM »

One interesting thing about this team is their lack of history. That are not a golden generation, in some ways they are a prosaic non-glamorous bunch. Southgate is the same, in fact, many people were doubtful about him. I think this has helped them, I suppose if they win the WC, they will become legendary.

jeremyp · « **Reply #402 on:** July 09, 2018, 07:44:37 PM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on July 08, 2018, 10:02:38 AM

Interesting, thoughtful piece brought to my attention elsewhere by a long gone poster (Ivyowl):

http://novaramedia.com/2018/07/07/talented-diverse-a-team-this-england-side-is-the-opposite-of-the-countrys-ruling-elite/

Seriously?

Do we have to bring class into everything.

jeremyp · « **Reply #403 on:** July 09, 2018, 07:47:20 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 08, 2018, 10:32:38 AM

Quite what it was that created that sense of entitlement and arrogance, completely unmatched by achievement, I don't know.

The media.

I don't suppose the sense of entitlement or arrogance really existed within previous World Cup squads at all. It was all manufactured by our press.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #404 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:27:39 PM »

Mbappe looking good

wigginhall · « **Reply #405 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:31:19 AM »

A world star, I think.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #406 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:00:33 AM »

Southgate has been talking about how 'our country' has had some problems with unity recently, and how he hopes the WC run will bring us together.

"Football in particular has the power to do that. We can feel the energy and feel support from home and it's a very special feeling, a privilege for us."

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #407 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 11, 2018, 11:00:33 AM

Southgate has been talking about how 'our country' has had some problems with unity recently, and how he hopes the WC run will bring us together.

"Football in particular has the power to do that. We can feel the energy and feel support from home and it's a very special feeling, a privilege for us."

I think that's one of his rare missteps.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #408 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:29:28 AM »

Thought this was a well done article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44785165

Rhiannon · « **Reply #409 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:33:59 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM

I think that's one of his rare missteps.

Maybe. But it isn't untrue. I don't think it's a bad think to focus on what unifies us for once.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #410 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 11, 2018, 11:33:59 AM

Maybe. But it isn't untrue. I don't think it's a bad think to focus on what unifies us for once.

'Us'?

Rhiannon · « **Reply #411 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:46:49 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2018, 11:41:18 AM

'Us'?

England. Now, I remember cheering on Scotland in the WC. It was only as an adult that I noticed that the feeling isn't reciprocated. These days we are no more one nation than the EU is. I don't think it is wrong to talk about finding unity in England any more than I would if it were Wales in the WC semifinal and we were talking about what it means to the Welsh, although I don't think they have the issues that the English do.

Southgate in England manager. I don't see the problem with him talking about the country that his team represents.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #412 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:50:00 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 11, 2018, 11:46:49 AM

England. Now, I remember cheering on Scotland in the WC. It was only as an adult that I noticed that the feeling isn't reciprocated.

England is fractured. Anything that unifies can't be a bad thing.

Quite a few Scots support England here, not all do. And unity is not always a good thing.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #413 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:54:24 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2018, 11:50:00 AM

Quite a few Scots support England here, not all do. And unity is not always a good thing.

Modified my post, sorry.

No, unity isnt always a good thing, but given how fractured England is at the moment I think anything that is bringing people together has to be good. It's already been talked about how multiracial the team is, but also how multiracial the support is...the days where it was white racists cheering on the team and making exceptions for players of colour are gone. Reclaiming football from the dickheads has a feel to me of reclaiming decency and working as a team, and given the pathetic shower in Westminster and elsewhere I dont see that as a bad thing.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #414 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:06:49 PM »

It would appear that at least one Scot went a bit too far in 'supporting' England.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/woman-filmed-dancing-ambulance-after-12891840

The problems I see with Southgate's comment is that the obvious ongoing division is Brexit which isn't an English only issue and that given that the 'country' is either the UK which is incorrect in football, or the division of the other countries that make up the UK are seen as irrelevant. Further, there is in any football Support of countries, that I have ever come across, a seam of xenophobia, and to me in exaggerating the importance of football, Southgate bolsters that.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #415 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:09:18 PM »

I think in ordinary times I might agree. But right now... I think of Windrush and I see those kids playing for us, and I hope that things might just be better. That's all.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #416 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:17:36 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 11, 2018, 12:09:18 PM

I think in ordinary times I might agree. But right now... I think of Windrush and I see those kids playing for us, and I hope that things might just be better. That's all.

At least some of those being united with are of the opinion that the PM is guilty of treason. It's precisely because these are not ordinary times that I think it a misstep from Southgate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/

Rhiannon · « **Reply #417 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:20:48 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2018, 12:17:36 PM

At least some of those being united with are of the opinion that the PM is guilty of treason. It's precisely because these are not ordinary times that I think it a misstep from Southgate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/

And precisely why I disagree.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #418 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 11, 2018, 12:20:48 PM

And precisely why I disagree.

People who think May is guilty of treason are not going to think they are wrong on that because the England team is multiracial. If England do well they will see it as all the more reason why May is a traitor. Overeating the benefits of football as I think Southgate did here, just makes them think they are more right in their beliefs.

But you may well be right that it would be better to concentrate on the good bits here and not be an Eeyore about it. I will be going round to friend's house to cheer on England tonight. I doubt we shall indulge in Three Lions but for all the good things about Southgate and the team hoping to see them through.

BTW did you see the interview with Harry (Which should England win, combined with the royal wedding is going to be a very popular nane, I would think) Maguire by Gabby Logan? I can only think he had been given the task by his teammates to get the word surreal in as many times as possible.

Gonnagle · « **Reply #419 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:49:21 PM »

Dear English Brothers & Sisters,

I have thoroughly enjoyed England's journey throughout this world cup and I hope and pray that it truly is coming home

Come on Engerland

And I much prefer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBdajHOsSM

Gonnagle.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #420 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:59:08 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 11, 2018, 12:30:37 PM

People who think May is guilty of treason are not going to think they are wrong on that because the England team is multiracial. If England do well they will see it as all the more reason why May is a traitor. Overeating the benefits of football as I think Southgate did here, just makes them think they are more right in their beliefs.

But you may well be right that it would be better to concentrate on the good bits here and not be an Eeyore about it. I will be going round to friend's house to cheer on England tonight. I doubt we shall indulge in Three Lions but for all the good things about Southgate and the team hoping to see them through.

BTW did you see the interview with Harry (Which should England win, combined with the royal wedding is going to be a very popular nane, I would think) Maguire by Gabby Logan? I can only think he had been given the task by his teammates to get the word surreal in as many times as possible.

I get the impression the England squad would tell Rees Mogg to do one of he invited them round for champers. Not sure I'd say the same for Terry and Rooney. And the racist wankers would still be racist wankers and still want May in the tower even if England hadn't qualified. Fancy speculating on how shit we were in 2016 in the Euros and where that left us? Maybe losing is worse for us than winning.

Anyways...enjoy this evening. I'm not sure I will.

Didn't see the interview but I did enjoy Kyle Walker on Twitter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44765085

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #421 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:07:56 PM »

Yes, it's one of the benefits of not really being a fan, much easier to enjoy it, though if the game is shite then you lose interest.

wigginhall · « **Reply #422 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:22:48 PM »

I'm nervous. It's the hope that's so horrible.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #423 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:51:48 PM »

According to local TV news this is an historic match and businesses are struggling to meet the needs of staff who want to watch the match.

Is it me or is this overkill?

Historic in what sense?

On shift, go to work.

Nation of fucking snowflakes.

I'm sure we didn't have all this bollocking hyperbole in 1966.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #424 on:** July 11, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on July 11, 2018, 01:51:48 PM

According to local TV news this is an historic match and businesses are struggling to meet the needs of staff who want to watch the match.

Is it me or is this overkill?

Historic in what sense?

On shift, go to work.

Nation of fucking snowflakes.

I'm sure we didn't have all this bollocking hyperbole in 1966.

My dad was at a wedding for the '66 match. All the blokes were huddled around a transistor radio and the bride was in tears.

I depends on the job, but the young chap I was talking to on the till in Tesco told me they have no - zero - customers during an England game. Not a lot of sense in paying people to do nothing.

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