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Walt Zingmatilder

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The trouble with apatheism
« on: May 23, 2018, 01:16:44 PM »
What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?

Nearly Sane

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2018, 01:23:18 PM »
What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?
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Maeght

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 01:38:38 PM »
What is apatheism but not allowing oneself to "go there"?

Go where?

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 01:49:41 PM »
Go where?
On to the topic of religion.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 01:52:40 PM »
On to the topic of religion.
So when someone says let's talk about knitting, and I say 'Sorry. Just not interested', I am not allowing myself to 'go there '?


Oh and just to help you out Religion is not equal to Theism, so you seem to be confused as to what point you are attempting to try to make.

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 01:54:11 PM »
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To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 01:56:31 PM »
Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 01:58:54 PM »
To remain an apatheist you must turn away from any discussion on religion.
As covered in previous post Religion does not equal theism. Further non interest neither means you are somehow deliberately maintaining your non interest, e.g. I don't turn away from watching knitting programmes in YouTube or turn away from attending Plymouth Argyle football club, I am just not interested.
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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 01:59:49 PM »
Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
They might just be here for the ethics?

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 02:07:02 PM »
Well, presumably that excludes everyone on here, or they wouldn't be members. This place is, after all, called "Religion and Ethics".
I agree. There are no apatheists here.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 02:15:22 PM »
I agree. There are no apatheists here.
I think that might depend on the definition. So far, your definition seems hopelessly confused in its equation of religion with theism, and then there is the idea of 'turning away' whereas a more generalized description is 'does not find interesting '.
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 02:15:51 PM »
As covered in previous post Religion does not equal theism. Further non interest neither means you are somehow deliberately maintaining your mom intetest, e.g. I don't turn away from watching knitting programmes in YouTube or turn away from attending Plymouth Argyle football club to, I am just not interested.
They say football takes the place of religion.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 02:19:23 PM »
They say football takes the place of religion.
That's lovely for 'them', irrelevant as a reply though.

Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 03:35:08 PM »
That's lovely for 'them', irrelevant as a reply though.
I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »
I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?
Sorry, not a clue about what you are trying to say here.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 03:43:37 PM »
Sorry, not a clue about what you are trying to say here.
That's a shame.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 03:50:50 PM »
I'm just wondering weather the door is shut more decisively, quickly and extensively on a purveyor of religion or a purveyor of football or whether there isn't such a thing as 'vehement disinterest'?

Someone who is 'vehemently disinterested' in something, to use your term, might ironically be 'interested' in it - since their distaste for this something might lead them to investigate it, or perhaps actively campaign against it. Perhaps a better term in some situations might be 'indifferent': for instance I'm interested in religion even though I'm not religious, but I'm utterly indifferent when it comes to football.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2018, 03:54:09 PM »
That's a shame.
Indeed it is. Can you try and expand it? Football is irrelevant. Note I had used an earlier example about knitting which you ignored. Try and think about what point you want to make.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2018, 04:07:13 PM »
Someone who is 'vehemently disinterested' in something, to use your term, might ironically be 'interested' in it - since their distaste for this something might lead them to investigate it, or perhaps actively campaign against it. Perhaps a better term in some situations might be 'indifferent': for instance I'm interested in religion even though I'm not religious, but I'm utterly indifferent when it comes to football.
The problem here is Vlad not being clear about terminology

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2018, 04:30:37 PM »
On to the topic of religion.

I don't think not being interested really means turning away.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2018, 04:48:36 PM »
The problem here is Vlad not being clear about terminology
There I was just tootling along when a new category, apatheist comes along.
I suppose we're we to find an actual apatheist we could get a better understanding. Even then Hillside would pop up to veto any definition and tell apatheists at they were REALLY ABOUT.

I guess I'm working from Wikipedia definitions with qualifications.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2018, 04:51:45 PM »
There I was just tootling along when a new category, apatheist comes along.
I suppose we're we to find an actual apatheist we could get a better understanding. Even then Hillside would pop up to veto any definition and tell apatheists at they were REALLY ABOUT.

I guess I'm working from Wikipedia definitions with qualifications.
Your qualifications seem to be wholesale changes to something that isn't expressed on wiki as pointed out. You didn't and haven't made it clear what you think an apatheist is, and you decide there is no apatheist on here without you making any clear definition.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2018, 05:10:46 PM »
Your qualifications seem to be wholesale changes to something that isn't expressed on wiki as pointed out. You didn't and haven't made it clear what you think an apatheist is, and you decide there is no apatheist on here without you making any clear definition.
Demonstrate then how my implied working definitions of apatheism differs or Departs from the oimplied definitions of Wikipedia.

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2018, 05:16:07 PM »
Demonstrate then how my implied working definitions of apatheism differs or Departs from the oimplied definitions of Wikipedia.
There is nothing in the wiki definition about turning away or about there something there to turn away from. And  it's about apaTHEISM which your continued talk about Religion doesn't follow. (Pointed out that last issue twice before,not sure why you ignored)
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: The trouble with apatheism
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2018, 05:21:14 PM »
There is nothing in the wiki definition about turning away or about there something there to turn away from. And you it's about apaTHEISM which your continued talk about Religion doesn't follow. (Pointed out that last issue twice before,not sure why you ignored)
Of course there is. Religion is a non subject for them.In a world with religion they must take physical no intellectual steps to keep themselves religion free.
They must be moving swiftly on.