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Rhiannon

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 08:10:59 PM »
One of the best articles I’ve seen on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/12/breastfeeding-wars-women-bottle-feed-support-midwives
Makes a lot of sense and it reads as if you could change the subject on a lot of politicised science and health issues.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 08:21:07 PM »
I was on the receiving end of this - maybe it’s because of the demographic where I live but idcregularly be called out by other women for bottlefeeding my eldest; it wasn’t a choice for me as she was in intensive care following her birth, and I was very sick too, but I was described by the medical profession as having ‘failed’ at breastfeeding (at one point a midwife said that o ‘didn’t have the courage for it’). I can’t even begin to describe the shame and the effect it had on me; in the end I planned all my trips out around her feeds so I wouldn’t have to give her a bottle in public.


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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 08:33:53 PM »
Yes, I've seen some of this in action. I have two friends who nearly lost a long friendship because they ended up taking much more extreme positions with each other and stopped being able to hear/listen to each other.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 09:45:05 PM »
It’s really quite weird. I’ve even heard bottlefeeding likened to smacking. The end result is to turn women - specifically mothers - against each other, and cause huge feelings of shame and guilt. That the science isn’t even that definitive is particularly galling.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 12:01:43 AM »
I agree wholeheartedly with both of you and some women who breastfeed with no difficulty for a long period of time are so complacent and evangelical about it, anyone would think their ability to breastfeed was because there was something special about them.  Making other women feel guilty is not on.  Would they rather the baby starved than have a bottle?

Not my experience, I breast fed for a while and then bottle and no-one said anything to me but I've heard so much from other women it makes me want to scream out loud.
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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 09:10:23 AM »
I was on the receiving end of this - maybe it’s because of the demographic where I live but idcregularly be called out by other women for bottlefeeding my eldest; it wasn’t a choice for me as she was in intensive care following her birth, and I was very sick too, but I was described by the medical profession as having ‘failed’ at breastfeeding (at one point a midwife said that o ‘didn’t have the courage for it’). I can’t even begin to describe the shame and the effect it had on me; in the end I planned all my trips out around her feeds so I wouldn’t have to give her a bottle in public.

That's awful.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2018, 04:14:52 PM »
That's awful.

Thanks, Maeght. Long time ago now but so unnecessary. Hopefully things will change.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2018, 04:59:11 PM »
I sincerely hope things have changed.

Anger is not something I feel very often but I do when I think of such things - stressing new mothers (& babies) is just not on!

Bottle feeding is not bad and if it is the only feasible alternative to breast, what's the problem?  I bet there are plenty of people on here who were bottle fed and grew up hale and hearty.
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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2018, 06:40:50 PM »
I breastfed my second child for nearly two years and was pregnant with my youngest when I stopped. Didn't make a jot of difference to their health - in fact the second one was the one with recurrent tonsil infections - and I bonded equally with both. By the time I had my youngest I realised that there was a hypothetical baby for whom breast may well be best, and then there was my baby, for whom it wasn't. With two aged four and under with chickenpox and a newborn that struggled to feed with a tongue tie, I grabbed the bottles with both hands.

I just wish my early days with me eldest hadn't been made even harder after her traumatic arrival - looking back a bit of kindness would have made so much difference.

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Re: The politics of breastfeeding
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 11:23:06 AM »
As a related aside to this, I follow elsewhere a page that supports GMOs and vaccines, and yesterday they shared a meme that  through a pastiche of scientific language ended with the diagnosis that anti vaxxers were 'fucking idiots'. This seems the wrong way to me to win over people, and I replied, too harshly I think now, that it was patronising wank. This prompted people to attack me and also say that anti vaxxers were like rapists and murderers, that they shouldn't been allowed to breed, and that they should be put into camps. My attempt to point out that many were just scared and ill informed just got more of the same.

The problem with this seems like the approach that has been highlighted in the thread - that people are portrayed rather than arguments made to persuade them, that any genuine questions are swept aside because they are the other. It's all too easy to fall into this way of thinking, and I'm often guilty of it myself and my initial post in reply to the meme is an example of that.  And it's really difficult to maintain a balance when if you do you get 'shot by both sides'.  You can't have any grey areas because it is all black and white. And this leads to innocents such as Rhiannon after the birth of her first child to be sacrificed on the altar of certainty.