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Rhiannon

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The Thai Boys
« on: July 03, 2018, 09:13:56 AM »
Not often a news story really has me heart in mouth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/03/thai-cave-qa-how-can-the-boys-be-rescued-and-what-are-the-dangers

Impressed by the British guys who found them, they are pioneers in their field apparently.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 10:05:14 AM »
I do so admire those who, like the two British divers, become experts in an unusual skill, and have the personality and nerve to explore very narrow underwater cave tunnels* and then use those skills to help those in difficulties.

*I read something - in the Built on Bones book - about one tunnel where the cavers had to dislocate their shoulders in order to get through, but when they did so, they discovered a cave with very important Neanderthal bones.

I include mountaineers and others with particular skills which they use to help rescue people from many situations in my unstinted admiration.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 10:20:37 AM »
Wonderful news. The world thought they were gone.

....and the British cavers were not young, amazing feat of courage and endurance.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 10:29:02 AM »
Apparently they still face as much as a few months in the caves. None of them know how to swim, so they have to be taught not only to swim but dive too but first of all everyone has to get to full health.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 10:43:15 AM »
I am glad they are all alive, but it is dreadful to think they are likely to be incarcerated in that cave for a lot longer. :(
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 11:23:36 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on July 03, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Apparently they still face as much as a few months in the caves. None of them know how to swim, so they have to be taught not only to swim but dive too but first of all everyone has to get to full health.

Yes, it's that or wait until the waters recede, which may take as long as October. I think there are other experts looking to see if there is a way in from above.

I'm anxious about it just sitting at home following the news feed. Goodness only knows how their families must be doing.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 11:43:24 AM »
After the boys are saved, then there will be the information about why and how the boys are there in the first place. One can only imagine the Health and Safety rules that would have been breached if such a day out had been organised here... ...
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 12:02:44 PM »
Apparently the coach had taken boys to the site before. The problem it seems is that he ignored signs warning to stay outside during the rainy season. The rain seems to have followed them in, a bit like a high tide, leaving them stranded, and they must have pushed further in as a way to avoid the encroaching water.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2018, 09:01:14 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 07:04:05 AM »
This subject is being discussed on IS and this last post is particularly relevant:


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12349716#post12349716
 The post before that one is by one of the IS posters who lives in Thailand.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 08:19:59 AM »
Thanks for that. Sounds like there is some political stuff going on too.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 08:01:42 AM »
On the 'Today' programme there was a report from the site where people are providing food for the 1500 or so (I think that was what I heard) people working towards the rescue of the boys  , there was a choir singing. Apparently the words were on the lines of 'pray to God, he is the one who can move mountains, etc'. Well, no doubt this may provide some comfort to some, but no-one, not even the singers  surely, will think it would be right to cease work and pass the responsibility to God. Ah, well...       
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2018, 08:05:43 AM »
Why, has anyone actually suggested that?

Maybe singing songs that keeps morale up serves a purpose. I'd prefer stirring renditions of Right Said Fred's 'I'm Too Sexy' but I'm guessing that wouldn't translate so well culturally.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2018, 09:00:49 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on July 05, 2018, 08:05:43 AM
Why, has anyone actually suggested that?

Maybe singing songs that keeps morale up serves a purpose. I'd prefer stirring renditions of Right Said Fred's 'I'm Too Sexy' but I'm guessing that wouldn't translate so well culturally.


Yep. Anything which keeps the morale up.
There was a pit disaster - one of far too many in my area - in 1962.
My dad wasn't involved, but he was one of those who went down to try and get survivors (and, sadly, brick up the remains of those who couldn't be recovered(
My mum told me she, and many other miners' wives, walked the three miles to the pit head, and sang at the top.
They sang humns, or pop songs - anything to keep them from thinking about the hell underground.
Curiously, many of the atheists belted out "Abide with me" with gusto, apparently.
More power to them, though personally I oathe that hymn.
Sometimes the words themselves bring remembered comfort; there's no harm in that.
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2018, 01:36:14 PM »
Rescue attempt happening now. The first two are out. Such heroism and bravery all round, including from the boys themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2018, 03:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on July 05, 2018, 08:05:43 AM
Why, has anyone actually suggested that?

Maybe singing songs that keeps morale up serves a purpose. I'd prefer stirring renditions of Right Said Fred's 'I'm Too Sexy' but I'm guessing that wouldn't translate so well culturally.

You're quite right, no-one has suggested that singing hymns will bring the boys out, that's just misplaced cynicism. Some people can't wait to put their oar in! Singing helps though.

I just saw a bit of a news report that said six were now out, don't know if that is the case.  I saw four earlier. It's so harrowing, I cannot imagine how their parents feel and as for that diver who died....

Hoping for better news and yes of course there will be an enquiry afterwards but the important thing is they are brought home safe.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2018, 09:30:10 AM »
Hopefully they will manage to get all those lads out in the next 24hrs hours.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2018, 10:01:28 AM »
This (mis)adventure started with people suggesting that the exercise would be hazardous because "the children" are so young ... etc. And indeed, one of the rescue team has, sadly, lost his life.

It would appear though that "the children" are all adolescent and fit sporting enthusiasts - many of whom can swim (though not dive). it has been reported that the boys perceived to be the weakest were the first to be rescued. It would seem to me that they are probably physically and mentally capable of summoning the skills and attitudes necessary for a satisfactory conclusion to this situation. This is not to downplay the courage and dedication of the rescuers - or of the boys themselves.

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2018, 10:05:42 AM »
Swimming and cave diving are very different things. It's even vastly different from open after diving. It's managing to do that and not go completely mental that I admire. And claustrophobia has nothing to do with physical fitness or age.

And the youngest of the boys are the same age as my son...very much still a kid.

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2018, 02:08:53 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on July 09, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
Swimming and cave diving are very different things. It's even vastly different from open after diving. It's managing to do that and not go completely mental that I admire. And claustrophobia has nothing to do with physical fitness or age.

And the youngest of the boys are the same age as my son...very much still a kid.

I dive, and dived in a cave once.

Once was enough!
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2018, 05:11:38 PM »
Eight lads have now been rescued, another four and the coach to go.
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2018, 08:23:37 PM »
Thank goodness and I hope this time tomorrow they will all be out.
Most of them are 11-13 years old, children even if they are on the cusp of puberty, one is apparently 17 so he isn't a child but he is to his parents. The fact that they have been fit and athletic will stand them in good stead when they are rescued, I'd think those in hospital will be discharged very soon.

Like all of us I'm so hoping for more good news tomorrow.

The widow and father of the former Navy Seal diver, Saman Kunan, who died have spoken very movingly about him. Their lives will never be the same again.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 09:38:25 AM »
No, it looks like the hospital stays will be longer, apparently the boys are in isolation because of infection and cant see family except through glass. They are talking about family rising them in the next few days but only at a distance and suited up. No idea what the infection risk is.

They are now able to eat easy to digest food and have to wear sunglasses because of the light.
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 10:40:07 AM »
I heard on the news there were 90 divers - British, but I might have misheard that! Might have been 19, I suppose 90 is more realistic.  I tried to find text but it was all film, so I phoned a friend who said that the boys were linked to a diver with another in front.

What kind of breathing mask did they have on?
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