Is the anti-theist argument from undeserved suffering circularish?

[Dicky Underpants]

John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

Yes, there are some quotes in John. You make the selections that appeal to you, and make your image of God (or Jesus as God Incarnate) accordingly. You also have to believe that the substance of John's gospel is true historical reportage (I don't, and a fair number of modern scholars think there is more of the historical Jesus in the synoptics). But even if John were historical, it still wouldn't answer the points about the other images of God. You have to do a lot of double-think.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes, there are some quotes in John. You make the selections that appeal to you, and make your image of God (or Jesus as God Incarnate) accordingly. You also have to believe that the substance of John's gospel is true historical reportage (I don't, and a fair number of modern scholars think there is more of the historical Jesus in the synoptics). But even if John were historical, it still wouldn't answer the points about the other images of God. You have to do a lot of double-think.

What images of God do you think are contradictory and need double think?

[Roses]

Any image of god is a figment of the human imagination, as it has never put in an appearance, should it exist.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Any image of god is a figment of the human imagination, as it has never put in an appearance, should it exist.

Mucho posivo assertio. Justificatio necessario.

[Roses]

Mucho posivo assertio. Justificatio necessario.

You have no evidence to prove otherwise.

[SteveH]

Any image of god is a figment of the human imagination, as it has never put in an appearance, should it exist.

Yawny MacYawnface. Change the bloody record!

[Roses]

Yawny MacYawnface. Change the bloody record!

My dear, your daft comments are so samey they are BORING!

[NicholasMarks]

Yawny MacYawnface. Change the bloody record!

No man has ever seen Almighty God...but the Son of Man has made him known to us...and we are encouraged to follow Jesus accurately and thereby turn our attitude back to righteousness which is a way of telling all evil, beware, the righteous will inherit this world because you, the evil, and unrepentant, have rejected what is on offer.

Then we will really see suffering disappear because suffering is built upon distress and Satan works upon inflicting distress on all those who have no righteous protection.

 

[Shaker]

No man has ever seen Almighty God...

Genesis 32:30 and Exodus 33:11 say otherwise.

[Sebastian Toe]

No man has ever seen Almighty God...but the Son of Man has made him known to us...and we are encouraged to follow Jesus accurately and thereby turn our attitude back to righteousness which is a way of telling all evil, beware, the righteous will inherit this world because you, the evil, and unrepentant, have rejected what is on offer.

Then we will really see suffering disappear because suffering is built upon distress and Satan works upon inflicting distress on all those who have no righteous protection.

Well Nick, you seem to be very distressed about "chemtrails", earthquakes, pollution, made up planets etc!
Very distressed indeed.
Looks like you need to get your "rightiousness" on track?

[Roses]

Well Nick, you seem to be very distressed about "chemtrails", earthquakes, pollution, made up planets etc!
Very distressed indeed.
Looks like you need to get your "rightiousness" on track?

It is surprising NM hasn't mentioned the blood moon!

[NicholasMarks]

Genesis 32:30 and Exodus 33:11 say otherwise.

I have no solid answer for you Shaker...I wasn't there on either occasion...but Almighty God is the living spiritual life-form of a superabundant, dynamic energy, which has certainly, never been seen, by man, or science...which suggests that the reason God uses prophets and angels is because his very presence would be, er, well...electrifying...and in both of your instances a person from the Heavenly domain represented God and was interpreted as being God by those who received their Holy Orders from God, through Angels. An angel working on Almighty God's instructions then could be likened to being face to face with God. That would meet the righteous requirement making these statements valid and true.

[NicholasMarks]

Littleroses/Maeght...

If either of you had read my posts with a righteous attitude you would know that the Holy Bible gives us all an escape route from all calamity...including this...the worst of them all...God's Final Judgement.

If we make ourselves righteous spirits then these are times when Almighty God will strip all evil of their devious gains...evict them spiritually, according to the teaching of Revelation 21:8...and redistribute the resources of the planet in a fair, honest, judicial way...so that repair, resurrection and everlasting life become our tools for guidance instead of greed and spite....It is something joyous and well worth waiting for but it will also be a time of much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Helping you, is helping me, because I want to be part of that new heavens and new Earth.

[Maeght]

Littleroses/Maeght...

If either of you had read my posts with a righteous attitude you would know that the Holy Bible gives us all an escape route from all calamity...including this...the worst of them all...God's Final Judgement.

If we make ourselves righteous spirits then these are times when Almighty God will strip all evil of their devious gains...evict them spiritually, according to the teaching of Revelation 21:8...and redistribute the resources of the planet in a fair, honest, judicial way...so that repair, resurrection and everlasting life become our tools for guidance instead of greed and spite....It is something joyous and well worth waiting for but it will also be a time of much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Helping you, is helping me, because I want to be part of that new heavens and new Earth.

That should say

If either of you had read my posts with a an over active imagination you would imagine that the Holy Bible gives us all an escape route from all calamity...including this...the worst of them all...God's Final Judgement.

[Roses]

That should say

If either of you had read my posts with a an over active imagination you would imagine that the Holy Bible gives us all an escape route from all calamity...including this...the worst of them all...God's Final Judgement.

Spot on.

[Robbie]

It is surprising NM hasn't mentioned the blood moon!

We can see that this evening
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/time-lunar-eclipse-july-2018-075527284.html?guccounter=1

[NicholasMarks]

Littleroses/Maeght...

If either of you looked for any kind of evidence which is presented truthfully and honestly and with scientific collaboration you might stumble upon some YouTube videos about children who have accidentally been resurrected...They may have inadvertently managed to reach some electrical criteria that made it possible. Of course you don't have to accept this as Gospel but evidence often requires us to sift out the fact from the fiction. Now...I'm not suggesting we leave our resurrection to accidental methods, which, incidentally, has been the birth-force behind many well received sciences (remember penicillin)...but Jesus Christ tells us that resurrection need be no accident...It just requires faith in him, and his scientific righteous code, and then resurrection is guaranteed, and well deserved.

   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You have no evidence to prove otherwise.

Those who eagerly leap on NPFs are nowhere to be seen. Humbugerry on their part.

[Maeght]

Littleroses/Maeght...

If either of you looked for any kind of evidence which is presented truthfully and honestly and with scientific collaboration you might stumble upon some YouTube videos about children who have accidentally been resurrected...They may have inadvertently managed to reach some electrical criteria that made it possible. Of course you don't have to accept this as Gospel but evidence often requires us to sift out the fact from the fiction. Now...I'm not suggesting we leave our resurrection to accidental methods, which, incidentally, has been the birth-force behind many well received sciences (remember penicillin)...but Jesus Christ tells us that resurrection need be no accident...It just requires faith in him, and his scientific righteous code, and then resurrection is guaranteed, and well deserved.
 

That's really quite funny (and sad) that you think YouTube is a source of truthful, honest and scientifically corroborated (not collaberation I presume) evidence.

[Maeght]

Those who eagerly leap on NPFs are nowhere to be seen.

That is true.

[Dicky Underpants]

What images of God do you think are contradictory and need double think?

Gordon Bennett! Give me strength! Since I just listed a large number of these anomalies (from all parts of the Bible) about how the Bible depicts God in my post above, if you can't see the problems, then there's no point in talking to you. Have a nice day.

[Dicky Underpants]

I felt a bit guilty about having derailed Steve's thread in my long post a little while back. I don't now - especially since NM has waded in and turned the thread into black mud.