Author Topic: Evil (Read 7491 times)

Sriram · « **on:** July 17, 2018, 06:52:06 AM »

Hi everyone,

What is 'evil'? Is it the Devil's work or is it a natural impulse we have as part of our survival and parental processes? Is there any absolute evil or absolute good?

If interested, you could check out .....

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/evil/

Any views?

Sriram

Roses · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2018, 08:31:53 AM »

I am of the opinion evil is just another term for extreme bad behaviour. I don't believe an entity is responsible for it, human nature has many characteristics of which good and bad are a part.

Anchorman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:06:43 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on July 17, 2018, 08:31:53 AM

I am of the opinion evil is just another term for extreme bad behaviour. I don't believe an entity is responsible for it, human nature has many characteristics of which good and bad are a part.

What is "extreme bad behaviour"?
By what standard to you define 'bad'?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:33:46 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on July 17, 2018, 06:52:06 AM

Hi everyone,

What is 'evil'? Is it the Devil's work or is it a natural impulse we have as part of our survival and parental processes? Is there any absolute evil or absolute good?

If interested, you could check out .....

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/evil/

Any views?

Sriram

For Good and evil to work as an idea there has to be an absolute in there somewhere otherwise it just becomes a question of taste.

Well we have taste and that doesn't work in the same way as morality.

Shaker · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:34:59 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 10:33:46 AM

For Good and evil to work as an idea there has to be an absolute in there somewhere otherwise it just becomes a question of taste.

As far as I can see that's all there is to it.

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Well we have taste and that doesn't work in the same way as morality.

Why not?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:45:31 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 10:34:59 AM

As far as I can see that's all there is to it.
Why not?

because we as people and a society do taste and we do morality and the exercises are different in both case.

I can see how you can confuse the two:

Years of virtuoso antitheistic turd polishing.

Roses · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:53:03 AM »

Quote from: Anchorman on July 17, 2018, 10:06:43 AM

What is "extreme bad behaviour"?
By what standard to you define 'bad'?

Hitler is an example of an person exhibiting extreme bad behaviour.

Shaker · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:54:49 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 10:45:31 AM

because we as people and a society do taste and we do morality and the exercises are different in both case.

This is repetition, not explanation. If you can't demonstrate your perceived difference between the two, just say so.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:59:12 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 10:54:49 AM

This is repetition, not explanation. If you can't demonstrate your perceived difference between the two, just say so.

Repetition of an explanation.

people and society do morality and taste differently.

If you operate morality in the same way as taste then you are, IMV, a monster.

Shaker · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:00:06 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 10:59:12 AM

Repetition of an explanation.

people and society do morality and taste differently.

How?

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If you operate morality in the same way as taste then you are, IMV, a monster.

Show your working.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:02:15 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on July 17, 2018, 10:53:03 AM

Hitler is an example of an person exhibiting extreme bad behaviour.

That's not really an answer to the question. That would be an answer to the question 'Name a person who exhibited 'extreme bad behaviour'?'

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:03:40 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:00:06 AM

How?
Show your working.

I think we're waiting for yours on taste is the same as morality.

Any one who expects workings out while not providing any is a big brown stripey humbug.

Shaker · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:06:40 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 11:03:40 AM

I think were waiting for yours on Taste is the same as morality.

Funnily enough I was waiting for yours on "For good and evil to work as an idea there has to be an absolute in there somewhere", which came first.

The floor is yours.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:15:03 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:06:40 AM

Funnily enough I was waiting for yours on "For good and evil to work as an idea there has to be an absolute in there somewhere", which came first.

The floor is yours.

Makes no sense without an absolute. It doesn't work and to do something because you describe it as Good when the terms really for you have no meaning is contradictory.

Can't be taste because we do taste and morality and they work and operate differently in a person and in society.

Now, Shaker, How is morality the same as taste?

Shaker · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:18:54 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 11:15:03 AM

Makes no sense without an absolute.

And the assertion train pulls into the station ahead of schedule.

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It doesn't work

Why not?

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and to do something because you describe it as Good when the terms really for you have no meaning is contradictory.

Why would the terms have no meaning? You seem to be arguing that there has to be an absolute standard because if there wasn't, the terms good and evil would be meaningless (needless to say, bald assertion and an appeal to consequences for the price of one), therefore there is an absolute standard. That's so circular it's a wonder you didn't feel dizzy just typing it.

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Can't be taste because we do taste and morality and they work and operate differently in a person and in society.

So you keep repeating ad borethebollocksoffmeum without scrupling to explain how.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:48:14 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:18:54 AM

And the assertion train pulls into the station ahead of schedule.Why not?Why would the terms have no meaning? You seem to be arguing that there has to be an absolute standard because if there wasn't, the terms good and evil would be meaningless (needless to say, bald assertion and an appeal to consequences for the price of one), therefore there is an absolute standard. That's so circular it's a wonder you didn't feel dizzy just typing it. So you keep repeating ad borethebollocksoffmeum without scrupling to explain how.

If one says something is Good or bad and has no reference they are just busking the definition. If they do not believe there can be a definition but offering one then it's all just arse pull and they are not being honest.

If they are convicted that they are morally right then they have introduced an absolute by default and that goes even if they consider their moral decision to just be better. Because they have introduced two poles.

Now Shaker, please justify your statement that morality is just a question of taste.

Shaker · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:52:05 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 11:48:14 AM

If one says something is Good or bad and has no reference they are just busking the definition.

Who has said that there's no reference? Name someone.

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If they do not believe there can be a definition but offering one then it's all just arse pull and they are not being honest.

Same question applies. Who - in the world generally or here specifically - has said there can be no definition?

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If they are convicted that they are morally right then they have introduced an absolute by default and that goes even if they consider their moral decision to just be better. Because they have introduced two poles.

As non sequiturs go, that must be one of the most flagrant examples I've ever seen.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:56:31 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:52:05 AM

Who has said that there's no reference? Name someone.
Same question applies. Who - in the world generally or here specifically - has said there can be no definition?
As non sequiturs go, that must be one of the most flagrant examples I've ever seen.

Dodging the question again I see.

I see your tactic, you have put yourself into the position of interlocutor.

You either realise a dishonesty here or are so blinded by a false sense of intellectual entitlement.

The sensible on this board of which there are few will see your tactics for what they are.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:57:56 AM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:52:05 AM

Who has said that there's no reference? Name someone.

Then it will be easy for you to define what is good and bad or state the reference then.

Shaker · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2018, 11:58:04 AM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 11:56:31 AM

Dodging the question again I see.

I see your tactic, you have put yourself into the position of interlocutor.

You either realise a dishonesty here or are so blinded by a false sense of intellectual entitlement.

The sensible on this board of which there are few will see your tactics for what they are.

Trying to get you to mount a reasoned argument for once without the straw, the assertions and the fallacies? Yeah, we all know I'm a hiding to nothing there.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:04:01 PM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 11:58:04 AM

Trying to get you to mount a reasoned argument for once without the straw, the assertions and the fallacies? Yeah, we all know I'm a hiding to nothing there.

All you have to do is to justify the assertions you have made here or even attempt to.

Shaker · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:12:54 PM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 12:04:01 PM

All you have to do is to justify the assertions you have made here or even attempt to.

After you.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:15:12 PM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 12:12:54 PM

After you.

No, after you.

Shaker · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:16:35 PM »

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on July 17, 2018, 12:15:12 PM

No, after you.

You kicked off with the bald assertions in #3 so it would be tidy to do things in order.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:21:42 PM »

Quote from: Shaker on July 17, 2018, 12:16:35 PM

You kicked off with the bald assertions in #3 so it would be tidy to do things in order.

I'm afraid I've given a rationale behind all my assertions. Not liking them is no defence for you. It's now your turn either to refute them or justify your own.

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Author Topic: Evil (Read 7491 times)