Death

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Here is a short video about death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=080yK-xBqOs

Hope you like it.

Cheers.

Sriram

[Stranger]

Here is a short video about death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=080yK-xBqOs

Hope you like it.

Why should we take anything he says at all seriously? He doesn't even attempt to justify his assertions.

[SusanDoris]

Why should we take anything he says at all seriously? He doesn't even attempt to justify his assertions.

15 seconds of that was quite enough for me! The immediate assumption is that those who do not believe in something immortal must be in fear.
Definitely does not apply to me!

[Enki]

It starts with a basic premise which is entirely without foundation, at least in my case. I don't fear death at all. I might well have an element of fear associated with the manner of my passing and  might well regret the upset that my death may cause to my loved ones but the fact that I will die is not infused with a feeling of fear at all.

The rest of his spiel is based upon assumptions and assertions which he obviously believes but which have no significance for me because I find them totally unevidenced. He further clouds his credibility by attempting to align his views with science without, for me, any good reason at all. I also find his didactic style to be totally pointless in my case, and his reference to karma as being as factual as gravity I find rather ridiculous.

All in all, I suggest that he continues his journey of self realization somewhat further than it seems to have taken him so far.

[ad_orientem]

15 seconds of that was quite enough for me! The immediate assumption is that those who do not believe in something immortal must be in fear.
Definitely does not apply to me!

Almost everyone fears death. Even those of us that believe in an afterlife. It is a fear of the unkown.

[Stranger]

Almost everyone fears death. Even those of us that believe in an afterlife. It is a fear of the unkown.

But based on the actual evidence we have, death is just not existing. I've already spent at least 13.5 billion years (or thereabouts) not existing and it really wasn't so bad.

[SusanDoris]

Almost everyone fears death. Even those of us that believe in an afterlife. It is a fear of the unkown.

More's the terrible pity that people do not see life, death and reality as it is and for which science has provided just about all the objective evidence that is necessary.

[ad_orientem]

More's the terrible pity that people do not see life, death and reality as it is and for which science has provided just about all the objective evidence that is necessary.

eh? Science has never proved what is beyond death.

[SusanDoris]

eh? Science has never proved what is beyond death.

Since zero observations are available for any kind of spirit drifting about somewhere and since all the physical evidence shows absolutely clearly what happens to a physical body not cremated,. and since bodies are not cremated unless dead, etc, then no guesswork can be stated, let alone any hypothesis created, about any such an idea as an afterlife.

[Rhiannon]

Almost everyone fears death. Even those of us that believe in an afterlife. It is a fear of the unkown.

I fear the process - I don't want to suffer - but I don't fear death itself. I just would prefer it not to happen soon, mostly because of the responsibilities that I have.

[Shaker]

Almost everyone fears death.

Sounds like an assertion standing in need of backing to me.

[Rhiannon]

Sounds like an assertion standing in need of backing to me.

I thought that belief did away with all that fear stuff.

[ad_orientem]

I thought that belief did away with all that fear stuff.

No it doesn't. Or at least not necessarily. Faith conquers death, yet for those who have it not all have it in the same measure. Death still holds a certain unkown.

[ad_orientem]

Since zero observations are available for any kind of spirit drifting about somewhere and since all the physical evidence shows absolutely clearly what happens to a physical body not cremated,. and since bodies are not cremated unless dead, etc, then no guesswork can be stated, let alone any hypothesis created, about any such an idea as an afterlife.

But that's not proof. I dodn't say I or anyone else can prove anything either. Nor did I say anything about spirits or souls either way. All I said is death is the great unkown. That's where the fear lies for almost everyone, of faith or no faith.

[Stranger]

eh? Science has never proved what is beyond death.

Science doesn't do proof, it does evidence. All the evidence is that consciousness requires a functioning brain. No functioning brain, no consciousness and hence no afterlife.

[jeremyp]

Almost everyone fears death. Even those of us that believe in an afterlife. It is a fear of the unkown.

I do not fear death at all. I do fear the transition from life to death in case it’s painful or degrading.

[Shaker]

But that's not proof. I dodn't say I or anyone else can prove anything either. Nor did I say anything about spirits or souls either way. All I said is death is the great unkown. That's where the fear lies for almost everyone, of faith or no faith.

Anecdotal evidence from people who care for the dying (medical professionals in hospitals; those who care for the elderly etc.) suggests that it's the religious who die 'worse' than nonbelievers; that's to say, are more fearful of death, more anxious and uneasier in mind.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Anecdotal evidence from people who care for the dying (medical professionals in hospitals; those who care for the elderly etc.) suggests that it's the religious who die 'worse' than nonbelievers; that's to say, are more fearful of death, more anxious and uneasier in mind.

First of all, suddenly anecdotal evidence suddenly becomesacceptable when ,of course , it is favourable to antitheism. I never thought atheists couyld get sub cesspit low on this forum...Trust Shaker to have ACHIEVED IT.


On the other hand by the time death is reached I can believe the atheist conscience and psyche to be well blunted.

[Shaker]

Well, which one is it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I do not fear death at all. I do fear the transition from life to death in case it’s painful or degrading.

Why should those be a consideration after you've voluntarily signed up to the Religionethics forum?

[Sebastian Toe]

Why should those be a consideration after you've voluntarily signed up to the Religionethics forum?

Well, it is painful reading your posts and watching you degrade common sense into nonsense!
 

[ippy]

The way I think of death is like when having to have an injection of something or another, you don't think to yourself coo, woopie I'm about to have an injection nor do you particularly fear having it.

If I could have a choice I'd like to go to bed one night and wake up the next morning and find myself  dead, it has to happen some time to all of us so going to bed and not waking up the next morning would be a good option.

ippy

[SteveH]

I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandad - not screaming in terror like the passengers in his bus.

[Shaker]

The way I think of death is like when having to have an injection of something or another, you don't think to yourself coo, woopie I'm about to have an injection nor do you particularly fear having it.

If I could have a choice I'd like to go to bed one night and wake up the next morning and find myself  dead, it has to happen some time to all of us so going to bed and not waking up the next morning would be a good option.

ippy

Many people say that, but I do wonder. Not knowing that you're going to die spares you certain things, but some people feel that you miss out on other stuff. Christopher Hitchens, who as is well known had oesophageal cancer and certainly knew he was going to die months in advance, said that he wanted to die in the active sense - by that I guess he meant preparing and planning as far as possible since he was a husband and father and had a literary estate to wind up. A sudden death may sound attractive in prospect from the point of view of the deceased, but can be a double nightmare for those left behind who have to tidy up the remnants of a life. I know whereof I speak: my dad died back in February (not especially suddenly) and although he had about the simplest life imaginable, five months on I'm still tying up loose ends and finding stray little things that need to be done.

Many people think that being aware of your own impending death must be about the worst thing imaginable, but I'm not so sure. It allows for a certain amount of control, I suppose - not over the death itself, which is inescapable for us all, but for other things. It also allows - if you're lucky at any rate - for you to come to terms with your life, say your goodbyes (in some cases settle scores, no doubt) and wind up your affairs, none of which are possible if you sleep your life away one night. Montaigne (I think) was right when he said that death should find us in harness (i.e. still active with our plans and projects and doings), but the ancients thought that there was such a thing as the ars moriendi, the art of dying, which we have pretty well comprehensively lost.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Well, it is painful reading your posts and watching you degrade common sense into nonsense!
 

Aren't there any TED talks on how to be funny in your area, Toe?