Conservatism doesn't exist

[Walt Zingmatilder]

We will be enviously watching bushtucker challenge.

The great British Earthworm bake off.


Heston Blumenthals Marmite coated twigs.

[Rhiannon]

I think the hard Brexit people are caught in two minds - stockpiling lets the EU know we are serious about no deal, but it might panic people.   The solution might be to say that the EU want to starve us into submission, especially the Irish.

Yes, I know you are being satirical but I think that is actually going to be the gist of where blame is laid, don't you?

[ippy]

I'm not sure that the gullible voting on the basis of the lies of the incompetent is a situation that should be welcomed.

Well I suppose the supporters of either side of the referendum could be saying the same thing about each other.

Regards ippy

P S I've had a quick read through the posts about leaving the E U and boy doesn't that title remoaner fit well, it looks like the U K's going to vaporise the moment we leave the E U.

Regards ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think the hard Brexit people are caught in two minds - stockpiling lets the EU know we are serious about no deal, but it might panic people.   The solution might be to say that the EU want to starve us into submission, especially the Irish.

But the stockpiling and ensuring a fluid flow of necessities from America are therefore necessary for a Victory and independence and that is in the purview of the Government.


It is therefore for your beloved BBC to keep an eye on the success of government in this matter but since they are an arm of Government there is, like proper stockpiling and supplies from across the atlantic, fat chance of that.


If you think they will be able to blame Europe how are they going to explain Boris, Nigel, Arron and Jacob larding their tripes at the Savoy? 

[Rhiannon]

Well I suppose the supporters of either side of the referendum could be saying the same thing about each other.

Regards ippy

P S I've had a quick read through the posts about leaving the E U and boy doesn't that title remoaner fit well, it looks like the U K's going to vaporise the moment we leave the E U.

Regards ippy

The government is stockpiling foods and medicines. Is that what you voted for?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The government is stockpiling foods and medicines. Is that what you voted for?

Probably.

[Rhiannon]

Probably.

Except you can't actually stockpile food.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on#comment-118754414

I dated a bloke who worked in a rice mill and actually this is true. Rice comes in, gets milled, goes out to customers. There's no space to store anything and each bag milled already has a customer lined up, usually on the continent.

Even if that custom dries up, there won't be rice coming in to mill anyway, because that was imported via Spain.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Except you can't actually stockpile food.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/stockpile-food-no-deal-brexit-dream-on#comment-118754414

I dated a bloke who worked in a rice mill and actually this is true. Rice comes in, gets milled, goes out to customers. There's no space to store anything and each bag milled already has a customer lined up, usually on the continent.

Even if that custom dries up, there won't be rice coming in to mill anyway, because that was imported via Spain.

Yes I saw that article. Spam it is then.

[wigginhall]

Yes, I know you are being satirical but I think that is actually going to be the gist of where blame is laid, don't you?

No, I wasn't joking.  You can already see the idea that the EU wants to punish us being pushed in the tabloids.  So Varadkar was labelled a thug for saying that aviation might be affected.   

It's  a very weird inversion, the EU are being horrible because they won't give us the benefits that we deserve by leaving.   After all, we don't want to be part of their rules anymore, well maybe just a bit.

[wigginhall]

Ippy's idea of a complete break from the EU perhaps should read, well almost complete, no, make that incomplete.

[jeremyp]

Heston Blumenthals Marmite coated twigs.

I think he's been serving those for years.

[jeremyp]

doesn't that title remoaner fit well,

They're talking about shortages of food and medicine, companies leaving the UK and taking their jobs with them, hard borders, chaos at airports and sea ports. our relationships with our neighbours in tatters. We will all be losing a number of rights enshrined in EU law.

You'd be a fucking idiot not to be moaning now.

[ippy]

But for Ippy, that is a price worth paying so that his life can be run by British corporate interests rather than European corporate interests.

What's that you say about trade deals with the US? Well at least American corporate interests speak nearly the same language as us.

But for ippy one of the voters that happened to be on the majority side of the in/out E U referendum, well of course they're all half wits, all half wits?

Regards ippy

[Rhiannon]

But for ippy one of the voters that happened to be on the majority side of the in/out E U referendum, well of course they're all half wits, all half wits?

Regards ippy

You haven't answered the questions though, have you? Did you intend fo there to be food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs? Is this what you voted for?

[wigginhall]

Brexit fans usually deny that this is happening, or say it's an over-reaction.   I find the callousness in this shocking, but I suppose it's a big shift to the right in English politics, aided and abetted by Labour apparently.

[Rhiannon]

Brexit fans usually deny that this is happening, or say it's an over-reaction.   I find the callousness in this shocking, but I suppose it's a big shift to the right in English politics, aided and abetted by Labour apparently.

Agree, And older people with their pensions and their properties really don't need to give a fuck about people needing to feed families, or young people who have to get work. We really are worthless to them.

[wigginhall]

Well, you are a remoaner, in other words, a traitor.

[Rhiannon]

Well, you are a remoaner, in other words, a traitor.

True, and should suffer the consequences of that.

[ippy]

You haven't answered the questions though, have you? Did you intend fo there to be food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs? Is this what you voted for?

'Did you intend for there to be food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs? Is this what you voted for?'

No.

How do you know for certain that we'll be having, food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs?

In what way is the forecast for Agamemnon you're giving me any better than any other forecast?

I never imagined that there would be any kind of seamless departure, but departure or leave won the day and that's what I'm expecting no matter how much it upsets the remainers, leave won the vote,  you can look on the bright side for yourself, just think of all the things you'll be able to blame on the leavers when we have left, no doubt everything will be blamed on the leavers probably the even the weather.

We're unlikely to agree on this one Rhiannon, we both think the other side on this one has got it half baked and wrong and that's unlikely to alter.

Regards ippy.


 

[jeremyp]

'Did you intend for there to be food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs? Is this what you voted for?'

No.

How do you know for certain that we'll be having, food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs?

In what way is the forecast for Agamemnon you're giving me any better than any other forecast?

I never imagined that there would be any kind of seamless departure, but departure or leave won the day and that's what I'm expecting no matter how much it upsets the remainers, leave won the vote,  you can look on the bright side for yourself, just think of all the things you'll be able to blame on the leavers when we have left, no doubt everything will be blamed on the leavers probably the even the weather.

We're unlikely to agree on this one Rhiannon, we both think the other side on this one has got it half baked and wrong and that's unlikely to alter.

Regards ippy.

It’s very noticeable how the Brexiteers cling to the mantra “we won the vote” (actually you won a vote, and given the change in demographic since then and the awful clusterfuck the Brexiteers have caused, it is really no longer valid). It’s like two years ago, the occupants of a car took a vote as to whether to take the left fork or the right fork. The left forkers won but it is becoming more and more apparent that, down the road, the bridge is out and the car will plunge into a ravine and still the left forkers cry “we won the vote”.

Please stop and look at the chaos that has been wrought and that will be wrought and ask yourself if it’s really worth the cost. Please.

[Rhiannon]

'Did you intend for there to be food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs? Is this what you voted for?'

No.

How do you know for certain that we'll be having, food shortages, stockpiling of medicines, people losing their jobs?

In what way is the forecast for Agamemnon you're giving me any better than any other forecast?

I never imagined that there would be any kind of seamless departure, but departure or leave won the day and that's what I'm expecting no matter how much it upsets the remainers, leave won the vote,  you can look on the bright side for yourself, just think of all the things you'll be able to blame on the leavers when we have left, no doubt everything will be blamed on the leavers probably the even the weather.

We're unlikely to agree on this one Rhiannon, we both think the other side on this one has got it half baked and wrong and that's unlikely to alter.

Regards ippy.

But why, Ippy? Why, with all the risk, and chaos, and potential for disaster - and it is the government that are talking about the need to stockpile food and medicines, not some conspiracy website - could this possibly be a worthwhile venture? What was so bad about before that people's wellbeing and livelihoods can just be thrown to the wind?

[ippy]

It’s very noticeable how the Brexiteers cling to the mantra “we won the vote” (actually you won a vote, and given the change in demographic since then and the awful clusterfuck the Brexiteers have caused, it is really no longer valid). It’s like two years ago, the occupants of a car took a vote as to whether to take the left fork or the right fork. The left forkers won but it is becoming more and more apparent that, down the road, the bridge is out and the car will plunge into a ravine and still the left forkers cry “we won the vote”.

Please stop and look at the chaos that has been wrought and that will be wrought and ask yourself if it’s really worth the cost. Please.

All in your opinion jp, I don't agree with you just as all of the others that decided that in their opinion they want to leave the E U, it's not rocket science.

The wording of the referendum wasn't complicated, I must admit I would be as equally annoyed as you appear to be if the vote had gone the other way.

I will keep doing everything I can to stop the so called soft brexit coming to fruition, I detest the tories but I'm joining their club so that I have a vote against T May if we get the chance to vote her out of office, believe me I'll resign from that lot the day after voting against her, perhaps that might convince you that we wont be in agreement about brexit, oh yes and that's not the only action I'm taking at present or in future, everything I can do as an ordinary member of Joe public.

By the way I dont see remainers as wolly headed moaners or thick I just think you're overall wrong so obviously I see leaving has more on the plus side than remaining, probably it's similar for you only visa versa.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

But why, Ippy? Why, with all the risk, and chaos, and potential for disaster - and it is the government that are talking about the need to stockpile food and medicines, not some conspiracy website - could this possibly be a worthwhile venture? What was so bad about before that people's wellbeing and livelihoods can just be thrown to the wind?

If I was to go over my reasons for leaving it wouldn't be altering my opinion nor yours, I think it's an unplesent divide, I'm used to exchanges with all on this forum and have no intention of joining the tendency of mutualy questioning the mentality of each other on this question.

I enjoy the excanges on this forum, there's not one poster that I dislike in the least, no matter how much we differ and in my opinion any prolonged arguement about this particular subject is very likely to turn into a bitter, rather resentfull outcome, that I feel is likely to spoil the atmosphere of the forum.

Regards ippy

[Aruntraveller]

And yet you are happy to insult:

P S I've had a quick read through the posts about leaving the E U and boy doesn't that title remoaner fit well, it looks like the U K's going to vaporise the moment we leave the E U.

I think it is time to remove those rose-tinted, 1950's spectacles that you have borrowed from a Stephen King novel and look at what is involved in leaving, and the very short timescale the country has to get things arranged in.

Clue for you here: WE AREN'T FUCKING SUCCEEDING.

[wigginhall]

That won't impinge on many Brexit fans, as their position is based on faith, not reason.