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Sriram

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Climate change is upon us....
« on: August 01, 2018, 07:26:42 AM »
Hi everyone,

Here is an article about this. Climate change has finally 'hit home' for many in the developed world...

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/31/opinions/climate-crisis-is-upon-us-opinion-intl/index.html

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This summer's sizzling temperatures, savage droughts, raging wildfires, floods and acute water shortages -- from Japan to the Arctic Circle, California to Greece -- are surely evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that the climate crisis is upon us now.

This is the new normal -- until it gets worse.

We, the entire global community, the residents of this planet, must finally grasp the urgency at hand and undertake dramatic, meaningful measures -- initiatives beyond the modest goals of 2015 Paris climate accord -- to stave off nothing less than the destruction of civilization as we know it.

Yet the headlines still read "When The Weather Is Extreme, Is Climate Change To Blame?"

We've got to move past the false, stubborn debate about whether global warming is happening or not. Obviously it is, plentiful research has underscored this for years, and with the natural disasters everywhere we're feeling it now. Those who still don't get it may have stuck their heads in the sand -- or perhaps they're lying to themselves.

As individuals, of course we can curb our consumption and make our lifestyles as sustainable as possible. But as citizens we have to mobilize too and force our elected leaders (and unelected leaders in China and elsewhere) to tackle the industrial giants whose fortunes are tied up in petrochemical generation.

Until this summer, many in the developed world probably assumed that global warming would only affect the undeveloped and the far-away. But global warming has hit home for all of us in 2018.

If empathy for others or future generations can't inspire concern, then let pure self-interest dictate action.

Whatever the motive, the time for half measures is past.

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Do you think that, at this stage, any changes we make in our life styles or even Govt. policy changes are going to make any difference? I don't think so.

I also think that the actual changes are going to be sudden and unpredictable. Up to one point they might appear predictable but after that there could be a sudden collapse. Like falling off a cliff. In fact, there could be a series of sudden collapses.

Cheers.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 07:55:46 AM »
It's not often I find myself in compete agreement with you Sririam, but I do here.

I think humanity has gone too far, the vested interests are too strong and we are basically too late to make enough changes to reverse things. We can possibly slow them down, or halt things at a point, but I am doubtful there is even the will to do that throughout the world.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 09:29:11 AM »
.... and today is this year's 'earth overshoot day'  ......https://www.overshootday.org/

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 09:36:29 AM »
The pace of climate change is frightening. :o
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 12:02:06 PM »
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Do you think that, at this stage, any changes we make in our life styles or even Govt. policy changes are going to make any difference? I don't think so.

Yes they will. However, as we have made hardly any significant changes over the last 25 years, climate will be become more extreme over the next 25 years or so, before any actions that we take now will start having a noticeable effect.   

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I also think that the actual changes are going to be sudden and unpredictable. Up to one point they might appear predictable but after that there could be a sudden collapse. Like falling off a cliff. In fact, there could be a series of sudden collapses.
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This depends on what action is taken. There are a number of different models predicting change, but the  actions we take determine which ones we will track closest too.
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 05:29:53 PM »

Do you think that, at this stage, any changes we make in our life styles or even Govt. policy changes are going to make any difference? I don't think so.

I also think that the actual changes are going to be sudden and unpredictable. Up to one point they might appear predictable but after that there could be a sudden collapse. Like falling off a cliff. In fact, there could be a series of sudden collapses.

Cheers.

Sriram

Only a drastic change of directions and priorities by governments and electorates could sway things.  The Paris agreement was a triumph for diplomacy full of noble aspirations but the devil is in the detail and large sectors of government are hoping to carry on as normal, granting permits for fracking, building new runways and motorways, aiming for economic growth on a finite planet, promising us all we can have our hyperconsumerist lifestyle cake and eat it with no comeback.

And climate change is only number one of two existential threats to humanity, the other being biodiversity loss, with species going extinct at an estimated one thousand times the average natural background rate.  I think we have created a perfect storm for ourselves but we should be OK, the government is busy rearranging the deckchairs.

From Kevin Anderson, Deputy Director, Tyndall Centre, on Twitter :

"we're in a genetic cul-de-sac; clever enough to understand the problem, but too stupid, selfish and weak to respond"
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2018, 08:57:27 PM »
Another article on climate change and the approaching apocalypse (if you think that is "project fear" you are correct, there is a lot to fear):

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26/were-doomed-mayer-hillman-on-the-climate-reality-no-one-else-will-dare-mention?CMP=fb_gu
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2018, 09:05:59 PM »
The only thing that gives me any hope is that we have as a species predicted all of the last 4,352nd times that we are doomed. And to be fair, it couldn't happen to a worser species.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2018, 07:16:36 AM »



Well...predictions are becoming more accurate..so I think the end is really nigh this time around...at least for many species and even many humans... :(

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2018, 03:01:51 PM »
All life on earth will be extinguished someday - so what?

The point is to put that off by better managing our activities now and maximising whatever benefit there is in it up to that point. 

If appropriate we could create artificial lifeforms capable of thriving in a world or universe otherwise inhospitable to biological life - but is there any reason to?
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 11:08:23 AM »
Another depressing item: https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-09-13/scientists-say-25-years-left-fight-climate-change
We're screwed. As torridon quoted up-thread: "we're in a genetic cul-de-sac; clever enough to understand the problem, but too stupid, selfish and weak to respond".
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2018, 08:59:10 AM »
A nice timeline of global average temperatures in the contexts of human history :

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Share it through your wider networks, raise awareness.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2018, 09:34:35 AM »
Animation illustrating temperature by country since 1900

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yIHxOui9nQ

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2018, 11:37:28 AM »
It is interesting  to think thatat some, maybe not hundreds of years into the future, time, it could well happen that random mutations, of which no-one is yet aware, might prove to be just what is needed to enable parts of the human species to find they are adapted to whatever the climate changes may be. Or not, of course.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2018, 02:27:28 PM »
It is interesting  to think thatat some, maybe not hundreds of years into the future, time, it could well happen that random mutations, of which no-one is yet aware, might prove to be just what is needed to enable parts of the human species to find they are adapted to whatever the climate changes may be. Or not, of course.
I don't think it is human adaptability that is the concern. Humans can live in pretty much every climate from the poles to the equator thanks to technology. The real problem is how everything else is going to adapt, including the species that provide us with food.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 09:06:11 AM »

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The real problem is how everything else is going to adapt, including the species that provide us with food.

And on that point:


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/30/humanity-wiped-out-animals-since-1970-major-report-finds?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR3MoI7p7kqFjtOUfETPAy7mVy9YUwNZ1o9s4vmiqOe2hsC6FO36te9NIyI
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2018, 08:35:34 AM »
Trump is undermined by climate change report from his own administration

https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/11/23/major-trump-administration-climate-report-says-damages-are-intensifying-across-country/?utm_term=.9d145ecfe869

Full report : https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/

The day after it was reported that atmospheric carbon has now reached levels not seen since the Pliocene, it's good to see US federal agencies not bowing to the regressive anti-science Trump agenda

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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2018, 08:48:34 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46325168

Trump's refusal to implement climate change policies should be an impeachable offence. >:(
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2018, 09:39:54 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46325168

Trump's refusal to implement climate change policies should be an impeachable offence. >:(

Why? His refusal to implement them is without doubt damaging, immoral and based on the most stupid reasoning I've seen on display for sometime. But why an impeachable offence?

Most of us by the same reasoning are guilty, I know I am. We are still driving to work and the supermarket, taking flights on holiday and generally doing our best to get through the planets resources as soon as is possible, without regard for the consequences.

We all act as if it's somebody else's problem to a certain extent. I'm interested in why you think the president of the USA should be any different?

If you sense a certain irritation in my posting I apologise in advance, but a statement using the word "should" in the way you do really isn't anything but an expression of your own wishes.

I for example could say: "In any modern progressive society the Royal Family should not exist". Yet they do. You I think probably disagree with that statement, but in every way I can think of, except for save an appeal to tradition, it makes sense. But my statement isn't going to change anything. Neither is yours.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2018, 11:33:50 AM »
Why? His refusal to implement them is without doubt damaging, immoral and based on the most stupid reasoning I've seen on display for sometime. But why an impeachable offence?

Most of us by the same reasoning are guilty, I know I am. We are still driving to work and the supermarket, taking flights on holiday and generally doing our best to get through the planets resources as soon as is possible, without regard for the consequences.

We all act as if it's somebody else's problem to a certain extent. I'm interested in why you think the president of the USA should be any different?

If you sense a certain irritation in my posting I apologise in advance, but a statement using the word "should" in the way you do really isn't anything but an expression of your own wishes.

I for example could say: "In any modern progressive society the Royal Family should not exist". Yet they do. You I think probably disagree with that statement, but in every way I can think of, except for save an appeal to tradition, it makes sense. But my statement isn't going to change anything. Neither is yours.


At least we recognise there is a problem, Trump doesn't.
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2018, 02:05:46 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46325168

Trump's refusal to implement climate change policies should be an impeachable offence. >:(
It's a disgrace, but you can't impeach a President because you don't like their policies.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2018, 02:34:46 PM »
It's a disgrace, but you can't impeach a President because you don't like their policies.


Which are endangering the planet and all life forms.
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