Funding problems at Glasgow Rape Crisis

[Nearly Sane]

Apparently because of withdrawal of funding because they concentrate too much on supporting women.



http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16405729.glasgow-rape-crisis-has-been-forced-to-close-waiting-list-for-face-to-face-support/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The closure of such things .....would it have happened under Labour?

I will never understand how a nation that had so comprehensively rid itself of the Tory blight invited them back.

[Nearly Sane]

The closure of such things .....would it have happened under Labour?

I will never understand how a nation that had so comprehensively rid itself of the Tory blight invited them back.

It would appear you haven't read the story. It isn't govt funding, and the reason funding was withdrawn is the sort of nonsense the Labour Party is pushing with its idea women/trans are the same.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It would appear you haven't read the story. It isn't govt funding, and the reason funding was withdrawn is the sort of nonsense the Labour Party is pushing with its idea women/trans are the same.

Oh, er, well......ooh look ...a bee.

[Rhiannon]

Staggering decision.

[Nearly Sane]

Staggering decision.

Apparently not the first such decision. One for men in abusive relationships also has same issue.


As an aside, you can now become a Mason if you are male, male when joined but transitioned to be female, female but transitioned to be male - but not if you are female. The whole gender/sexuality thing is currently fucked up.

[ProfessorDavey]

Apparently because of withdrawal of funding because they concentrate too much on supporting women.



http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16405729.glasgow-rape-crisis-has-been-forced-to-close-waiting-list-for-face-to-face-support/

Not saying I agree with the decision, but it is rather disingenuous to suggest that they concentrate too much on supporting women, which by implication suggests that they also support men, albeit to a limited extent.

Reading the article it is clear that they provide services exclusively for women and girls whether cis or trans. They don't provide a service to men at all.

[Nearly Sane]

Not saying I agree with the decision, but it is rather disingenuous to suggest that they concentrate too much on supporting women, which by implication suggests that they also support men, albeit to a limited extent.

Reading the article it is clear that they provide services exclusively for women and girls whether cis or trans. They don't provide a service to men at all.

So what? Are you honestly saying that the withdrawing of funding here with the impact that will have is in any way justified?

[Rhiannon]

Apparently not the first such decision. One for men in abusive relationships also has same issue.


As an aside, you can now become a Mason if you are male, male when joined but transitioned to be female, female but transitioned to be male - but not if you are female. The whole gender/sexuality thing is currently fucked up.

Freemasons aside, it's also a way of dividing us off from each other.

Disturbing lack of empathy going on here. No woman wants to go into a rape crisis centre and find a man sitting in the waiting area with her and many wouldn't be able to cope with it. Likewise why should a man traumatised by domestic violence have to do the same?

Let's just shit on human beings in the name of equality so that nobody can get the services that help them. Wankers.

[ProfessorDavey]

So what? Are you honestly saying that the withdrawing of funding here with the impact that will have is in any way justified?

I was very clear that I wasn't making a comment about the decision, but I think there is a need to be clear - it isn't the case that they concentrate too much on supporting women, they actually only support women.

Presumably the funder is mindful of its equality obligations and wants to support organisations that provide services that aren't provided exclusively to one gender. It isn't uncommon for funders to use the power they have to provide or not to provide funding as a means to engender culture change in organisations hoping to receive funding.

[Nearly Sane]

I was very clear that I wasn't making a comment about the decision, but I think there is a need to be clear - it isn't the case that they concentrate too much on supporting women, they actually only support women.

Presumably the funder is mindful of its equality obligations and wants to support organisations that provide services that aren't provided exclusively to one gender. It isn't uncommon for funders to use the power they have to provide or not to provide funding as a means to engender culture change in organisations hoping to receive funding.

This is exactly the sort of tripe that puts people in danger. For once in my life, I am going to use the trope that your posting supports PC gone mad. Do you not get why it is entirely justifiable for this to be almost completely concentrated in women?

[ProfessorDavey]

Disturbing lack of empathy going on here. No woman wants to go into a rape crisis centre and find a man sitting in the waiting area with her and many wouldn't be able to cope with it. Likewise why should a man traumatised by domestic violence have to do the same?

I don't disagree, but that is an operational matter. There is no reason why an organisation cannot provide rape services for both men and women, but to organise itself in a manner that prioritises the dignity of the individual and certainly avoids the situation where a female victim of rape is expected to sit next to a man (albeit presumably a male rape victim) in a waiting area.

[ProfessorDavey]

Do you not get why it is entirely justifiable for this to be almost completely concentrated in women?

Of course I do as 90% of rape victims are women - but not 100%. And actually we should be thinking about the rape victim as an individual rather than on their proportional victim likelihood in the population. The trauma associated with an individual male victim of rape is, intrinsically no greater or lesser than that associated with an individual female victim of rape. We need support for all victims or rape, whether male or female, but of course we need to ensure that the capacity of support is reflective of the 90:10 ratio between gender of victims.

[Rhiannon]

I don't disagree, but that is an operational matter. There is no reason why an organisation cannot provide rape services for both men and women, but to organise itself in a manner that prioritises the dignity of the individual and certainly avoids the situation where a female victim of rape is expected to sit next to a man (albeit presumably a male rape victim) in a waiting area.

No, it isn't. So you now want a rape crisis centre for women to find the resources for men-only areas or close off to women at certain times? This isn't gender-neutral toilets we are talking about here. Do you think that refuges should have men-only floors? These organisations are stretched so thin as it is, and now one os closing because of 'equality' measures that just shot all over vulnerable, traumatised and scared people. There are rape crisis organisations for men, and likewise ones for domestic violence; the thing to do it to support both kinds, giving both genders that safe space that is so badly needed.

This is ideology bordering on fanaticism on the part of CiN.

[Rhiannon]

Of course I do as 90% of rape victims are women - but not 100%. And actually we should be thinking about the rape victim as an individual rather than on their proportional victim likelihood in the population. The trauma associated with an individual male victim of rape is, intrinsically no greater or lesser than that associated with an individual female victim of rape. We need support for all victims or rape, whether male or female, but of course we need to ensure that the capacity of support is reflective of the 90:10 ratio between gender of victims.

So men need safe spaces too. Not invade those that exist for women.

[ProfessorDavey]

No, it isn't. So you now want a rape crisis centre for women to find the resources for men-only areas or close off to women at certain times? This isn't gender-neutral toilets we are talking about here. Do you think that refuges should have men-only floors? These organisations are stretched so thin as it is, and now one os closing because of 'equality' measures that just shot all over vulnerable, traumatised and scared people. There are rape crisis organisations for men, and likewise ones for domestic violence; the thing to do it to support both kinds, giving both genders that safe space that is so badly needed.

This is ideology bordering on fanaticism on the part of CiN.

Do you think that it is just as important to provide support service for individual male rape victims as individual female rape victims, while, of course recognising that 90% of rape victims are female.

[Nearly Sane]

Of course I do as 90% of rape victims are women - but not 100%. And actually we should be thinking about the rape victim as an individual rather than on their proportional victim likelihood in the population. The trauma associated with an individual male victim of rape is, intrinsically no greater or lesser than that associated with an individual female victim of rape. We need support for all victims or rape, whether male or female, but of course we need to ensure that the capacity of support is reflective of the 90:10 ratio between gender of victims.

Holy strawman , Batman! No one is saying male rape isn't traumatic.

[Nearly Sane]

Do you think that it is just as important to provide support service for individual male rape victims as individual female rape victims, while, of course recognising that 90% of rape victims are female.

Why didn't you even begin to address the points that Rhiannon made, and ignore that she said that male rape is as traumatic?

[Rhiannon]

Do you think that it is just as important to provide support service for individual male rape victims as individual female rape victims, while, of course recognising that 90% of rape victims are female.

The clue might be in my post #14.

[Rhiannon]

CiN are denying that it is anything to do with gender, although they aren't being forthcoming on what the reason actually is. Note, this is specifically a project funding a support worker for rape victims under the age of 18 (ie. children), and school outreach, that they have taken funding from.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/victims-desperate-for-counselling-15003732

[Nearly Sane]

In one way, I hope that CIN are correct here. In which case it's up to others to pony up. That people even think that it might be appropriate in any way to justify funding in this manner, is deeply shocking to me.

[ProfessorDavey]

The clue might be in my post #14.

Good to hear - our posts (14 and 15) so you'd answered my question before I'd asked it!

[Nearly Sane]

Good to hear - our posts (14 and 15) so you'd answered my question before I'd asked it!

So you didn't read the post #14, when you replied to it in #15?

[ProfessorDavey]

So you didn't read the post #14, when you replied to it in #15?

No - post 15 was in reply to post 13. I got the 'a new post has been submitted' thing as I was posting reply 15 (which was presumably your post 14) - I tend not to scrap a post to check out all new post.

Anyhow, as I've said you have clearly answered my question in post 15 - thanks.

[Nearly Sane]

No - post 15 was in reply to post 13. I got the 'a new post has been submitted' thing as I was posting reply 15 (which was presumably your post 14) - I tend not to scrap a post to check out all new post.

Anyhow, as I've said you have clearly answered my question in post 15 - thanks.

You are very confused. I didn't answer your question. Rhiannon did. But she already had in #13 in writing

'There are rape crisis organisations for men, and likewise ones for domestic violence; the thing to do it to support both kinds, giving both genders that safe space that is so badly needed.'

And to move on, do you think that making a funding decision on the basis of a women's rape crisis centre not doing enough for men, if that is the case, is in any way justifiable?