Jesus Christ, Our Saviour

[NicholasMarks]

Where doid Jesus say "Avoid politics"?
Politics is not party politics, NM.
Politics is being involved in the world to change the world.
Jesus DID say we should be "in the world, but not of the world".
He Did tell us in Matthew 25, to look after strangers, destitutes, sick, weak, hungry, thirsty people - as if we were caring for Him.
That's politics at it's base.
Or there's the "Sermon on the mount" earlier in Matthew.
You don't GET more political - you couldn't if you tried.
When you get right down to it, Jesus Himself was a political subversive; HIs radical ideas are as dangerous now as they were then.
And you will be no doubt aware that He calls those who follow Him to be just as radical.
Do I have to point out the Scriptures for you?

Jesus said...though you are in the world be no part of it...what is that if it isn't avoid the politics of the world...Jesus certainly avoided politics and they crucified him because of it. Politics is found in all groups of people and taking the consent of the people to administer unpleasant things the axis on which it spins. The problem with it all is that bullies with fixed, and unpleasent ideas can use it as a platform of deceit and it is wise not to let these people into our lives for Biblical reasons. Faith in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is far more important.



 

[NicholasMarks]

Unfortunately since you claim to have found a lot of gibberish pretend science in the bible, the process can clearly be seem to be err... somewhat unreliable. Even leaving aside your own 'unique' interpretation, it's not like all those cults, sects, and denominations who all claim that they follow what's in the bible agree with each other, is it? All of which backs up my own impression that it has no actual coherent message and the only way people get to think it does is by cherry-picking.

Which brings me back to the question you keep avoiding: if the there is a just and fair god who wants to get its important message to its creation, why isn't it absolutely obvious to everybody?

We are talking faith here Stranger...you had your opportunity to discuss the science but you chose to ridicule it out of hand....you had your chance.

Faith is something quite different. Faith is seeing a load of honest hard working people being emotionally abused and asking for Jesus Christ's help and getting it. That is why I am so hostile against the antiChrist because I know and they know what they are doing to mankind and it all revolves around winding up people until they have no emotional strength to protect themselves with. Jesus showed me how it all works, and, to quote another famous person...I was not amused.

[Anchorman]

Jesus avoided politics? Are you serious? You DO know the political situation in the area? That the Pharisees, Sadducces, Essenes, zealots et al were not just sitting around reading Scriptures? You do know that they were, in fact, political parties - VERY political parties? In openly criticising them, as He did - in Scripture ..."Hypocrites....sons of serpents....empty graves...." Jesus was jumping right into the political mix. You simply could not divorce Judaism from 'politics' if you tried - and Jesus certainly didn't try! There were only two ways of avoiding politics in that part of the world; being dead or leaving the area. Christ was crucified for blasphemy. That was about as political asa you could get. His accuser brought charges against Him saying that He would destroy the Temple...political spin if ever there was spin. And they charged Him with claiming to be God...a crime of which, of course, He was guilty...but not a sin. The Romans got in on the act with "INRI"....stirring up the political mess as only they could. Political? The Gospel's full of it!

[Stranger]

We are talking faith here Stranger...

Yes, and you still haven't answered my question as to why we need faith rather than your god making its message obvious to everyone.

...you had your opportunity to discuss the science but you chose to ridicule it out of hand....you had your chance.

Your meaningless twaddle was in no any way connected with science, you were clearly bearing false witness.

[NicholasMarks]

Yes, and you still haven't answered my question as to why we need faith rather than your god making its message obvious to everyone.

Your meaningless twaddle was in no any way connected with science, you were clearly bearing false witness.

So some people are prone to good thinking and others prone to the thinking of the antiChrist...It is easy to spot the difference...those who are able to find faith are kinder, more caring, open to honesty and honest ideas whilst the antiChrist aren't...take your pick...but it won't stop the faithful from being saved Stranger...but we know that the liars, the muderers, the deceitful, those bearing false witness, those heavily involved in sexual malpractices have a very limited lifespan on this planet...you should applaud and welcome this because it is truly a fair and honest judgement on behalf of the faithful.

[Stranger]

So some people are prone to good thinking and others prone to the thinking of the antiChrist...It is easy to spot the difference...those who are able to find faith are kinder, more caring, open to honesty and honest ideas whilst the antiChrist aren't...take your pick...but it won't stop the faithful from being saved Stranger...but we know that the liars, the muderers, the deceitful, those bearing false witness, those heavily involved in sexual malpractices have a very limited lifespan on this planet...you should applaud and welcome this because it is truly a fair and honest judgement on behalf of the faithful.

More waffle and still no answer to my question. Do you have an answer or not?

As for the rest of it, where is your evidence that those who "find faith" are kinder etc.? There's an awful lot of evil done in the name of faith in the world.

You also keep on condemning people bearing false witness when you have been exposed as doing exactly that when you pretend to understand a deep science that can unite the forces of nature but are so ignorant of the subject that you don't know the difference between force and energy.

Now, once again: if there is a just and fair god, with an important message for its creation, why is it hiding, why isn't it obvious, and why do we need blind faith?

[NicholasMarks]

More waffle and still no answer to my question. Do you have an answer or not?

As for the rest of it, where is your evidence that those who "find faith" are kinder etc.? There's an awful lot of evil done in the name of faith in the world.

You also keep on condemning people bearing false witness when you have been exposed as doing exactly that when you pretend to understand a deep science that can unite the forces of nature but are so ignorant of the subject that you don't know the difference between force and energy.

Now, once again: if there is a just and fair god, with an important message for its creation, why is it hiding, why isn't it obvious, and why do we need blind faith?

Your just going round and round in circles with me Stranger. I have answered all your  question but you think it is clever to just dismiss it as rubbish. This is an important lesson to any who turn to Jesus because of the injustice in this world. These are the sort of responses you will be up against...but faith will sustain you because there is a knowledge, a truth, that passeth all understanding behind every single sentence of Jesus Christ that will deliver a huge spiritual warmth which will, ultimately, deliver all of Jesus Christ's promises and knowing his time will be short Satan is tooling up to make everyone's life a misery...have faith...we will overcome.

[Stranger]

Your just going round and round in circles with me Stranger. I have answered all your  question...

There you go bearing false witness again.

Where is the answer to my question as to why a just and fair god is hiding its important message?

[NicholasMarks]

There you go bearing false witness again.

Where is the answer to my question as to why a just and fair god is hiding its important message?

It is hidden in plain sight Strangeer...it is all in the Holy Bible. A book designed to change attitudes, improve our mental prowess, repair our health, show us the hidden workings behind resurrection and a promise, by faith, to expose a knowledge that will lead to everlasting life...after those who refuse to comply are evicted. That isn't waffle it is Biblical fact...you just need to alter your attitude a little to receive it but I'm afraid I think your problem is too deep seated.

[Anchorman]

It is hidden in plain sight Strangeer...it is all in the Holy Bible. A book designed to change attitudes, improve our mental prowess, repair our health, show us the hidden workings behind resurrection and a promise, by faith, to expose a knowledge that will lead to everlasting life...after those who refuse to comply are evicted. That isn't waffle it is Biblical fact...you just need to alter your attitude a little to receive it but I'm afraid I think your problem is too deep seated.

What 'hideen workings'?
Ah! A neo-Gnostic!
At last, things start to fit together, even if your theology does not.

[Stranger]

It is hidden in plain sight Strangeer...

Are you having some difficulty understanding the question?

Why would a just and fair god with an important message not make it obvious to everybody? You seem to be describing a cruel trickster god who has set some sort of puzzle with drastic consequences if we get it wrong.

[NicholasMarks]

Are you having some difficulty understanding the question?

Why would a just and fair god with an important message not make it obvious to everybody? You seem to be describing a cruel trickster god who has set some sort of puzzle with drastic consequences if we get it wrong.

Your circular arguments mean nothing to me Stranger. You may think your good at this but you aren't half as circular in your thinking than those who thought they were entitled to chase honest, married women, expecting to find useful employment, but instead met up with a team of these hudlums who thought it was all a joke to drive people by hysterical tactics but, it is why I can safely say that our health is aligned with our attitudes and the antiChrist are responsible for it all...and will pay the price.



 

[Stranger]

Your circular arguments mean nothing to me Stranger.

It wasn't even an argument, let alone a circular one, it was a question.

You may think your good at this but you aren't half as circular in your thinking than those who thought they were entitled to chase honest, married women, expecting to find useful employment, but instead met up with a team of these hudlums who thought it was all a joke to drive people by hysterical tactics but, it is why I can safely say that our health is aligned with our attitudes and the antiChrist are responsible for it all...and will pay the price.

No, I hevan't a clue what you're gibbering on about. Any chance at all of answering my question?

[NicholasMarks]

It wasn't even an argument, let alone a circular one, it was a question.

No, I hevan't a clue what you're gibbering on about. Any chance at all of answering my question?

Circular argument is what  abusers use to overpower the good order of our emotions...bullies use it all the time...
It is going to upset many people when they realise that their honest attempts to lead a responsible, worthwhile life have  been railroaded by people who have the single motive to disrupt honest reasoning. They are always hostile and aggressive and it is time to stand up to them using faith in Jesus Christ because he had to stand up to these people as well. Faith is the keyword because then we can go the distance with those who prefer to disrupt our faith.

[Stranger]

Circular argument is what  abusers use to overpower the good order of our emotions...bullies use it all the time...
It is going to upset many people when they realise that their honest attempts to lead a responsible, worthwhile life have  been railroaded by people who have the single motive to disrupt honest reasoning. They are always hostile and aggressive and it is time to stand up to them using faith in Jesus Christ because he had to stand up to these people as well. Faith is the keyword because then we can go the distance with those who prefer to disrupt our faith.

More irrelevant waffle and still no answer to my question. Ho-hum.

Once again you seem to be condemning yourself - it is you who have been using circular arguments, this was a classic example:

We can have faith in Almighty God, because of Jesus Christ and we can have faith in Jesus Christ because of Almighty God.

[NicholasMarks]

More irrelevant waffle and still no answer to my question. Ho-hum.

Once again you seem to be condemning yourself - it is you who have been using circular arguments, this was a classic example:

That is a Biblical statement Stranger...Jesus Christ is the true witness of his father and Almighty God the true witness of Jesus Christ.

You see how I draw a line of logic between the bully and the cancer cell now, I'm sure...That both are refusing to be controlled by the genetic norm...both are wild and refusing to recognise the genetic code...both issue nervous short-sharp shock tactics on their surrounding neighbours...both scoop up all the nervous nourishment that should be shared amongst the group for their own individual benefit...both gather in tumorous lumps to plague the whole population that surrounds them and both stand a better chance in life if they listened, by faith, to what Jesus Christ has to say...and it is obvious to me that our attitude is the medium that can bring both to a sensible understanding.

[Anchorman]

Cancer; Just one more thing you know absolutely nothing about.

[Stranger]

That is a Biblical statement Stranger...Jesus Christ is the true witness of his father and Almighty God the true witness of Jesus Christ.

So now you're saying the bible uses circular arguments...

You see how I draw a line of logic between the bully and the cancer cell now, I'm sure...That both are refusing to be controlled by the genetic norm...both are wild and refusing to recognise the genetic code...both issue nervous short-sharp shock tactics on their surrounding neighbours...both scoop up all the nervous nourishment that should be shared amongst the group for their own individual benefit...both gather in tumorous lumps to plague the whole population that surrounds them and both stand a better chance in life if they listened, by faith, to what Jesus Christ has to say...and it is obvious to me that our attitude is the medium that can bring both to a sensible understanding.

Back to the random gibberish.

Any chance of an answer as to why a just and fair god is hiding its important message? Or, for that matter, why we should believe circular arguments just because they're in the bible (according to you)?

[NicholasMarks]

So now you're saying the bible uses circular arguments...

Back to the random gibberish.

Any chance of an answer as to why a just and fair god is hiding its important message? Or, for that matter, why we should believe circular arguments just because they're in the bible (according to you)?

No...I'm saying you are using circular arguments and I have shown clearly that it causes all sorts of problems in our good health so that people will know where their poor health stems from...it is from our lack of faith in keeping our emotional balance right and that some people will do their up most to ensure we can't. This is where faith comes in because on behalf of our Saviour we can talk to people beyond the heckler and confirm what they suspect about the anti Christ.

[Stranger]

No...I'm saying you are using circular arguments...

Except I'm not - do you even know what a circular argument is?

...and I have shown clearly...

I don't recall you ever showing anything clearly - oh, except that you know absolutely nothing about science, you have shown that very clearly.

...that it causes all sorts of problems in our good health so that people will know where their poor health stems from...it is from our lack of faith in keeping our emotional balance right and that some people will do their up most to ensure we can't. This is where faith comes in because on behalf of our Saviour we can talk to people beyond the heckler and confirm what they suspect about the anti Christ.

Still not answering my question...

[ippy]

Circular argument is what  abusers use to overpower the good order of our emotions...bullies use it all the time...
It is going to upset many people when they realise that their honest attempts to lead a responsible, worthwhile life have  been railroaded by people who have the single motive to disrupt honest reasoning. They are always hostile and aggressive and it is time to stand up to them using faith in Jesus Christ because he had to stand up to these people as well. Faith is the keyword because then we can go the distance with those who prefer to disrupt our faith.

It's all in your hands to stop the going around in circles Nick, all you need to do is give direct answers to the various questions you're being asked.

At the moment Nick, if I was to ask you what do you think of the weather now it has cooled down a bit?

Your answer would be something about this Jesus of yours all mixed in with something about super abundant electrical energy and the righteous sulphur smell of steam engines?

No wonder the going around in circles when all you ever do Nick, is stubbornly refuse to answer the questions asked of you?

It's not like answers you do give make any sense anyway?

Regards ippy

[NicholasMarks]

It's all in your hands to stop the going around in circles Nick, all you need to do is give direct answers to the various questions you're being asked.

At the moment Nick, if I was to ask you what do you think of the weather now it has cooled down a bit?

Your answer would be something about this Jesus of yours all mixed in with something about super abundant electrical energy and the righteous sulphur smell of steam engines?

No wonder the going around in circles when all you ever do Nick, is stubbornly refuse to answer the questions asked of you?

It's not like answers you do give make any sense anyway?

Regards ippy

That's the wonderful thing about faith in Jesus Christ...we expect to be taken to task by the antiChrist. I have given you all a more honest answer than you deserve but you have collectively decided to have a go. I had to face the same thing when I found myself within a factory full of exhausted women  who were very unstable because of the heavy hand of unrighteous people, but I stuck it out and tried to help. It soon became obvious what was happening and I was thrilled to see God's hand at work soothing and calming the whole scene, with me as his humble assistant so I am well able to reach over your  intimidation and tell those who might need this help...don't allow yourselves to be wound up...cling to faith in Jesus Christ and try to follow him accurately...ignore what iniquity tells you but talk with Jesus directly and you have begun a wonderful path that the antiChrist cannot prevent you from entering.

[ippy]

That's the wonderful thing about faith in Jesus Christ...we expect to be taken to task by the antiChrist. I have given you all a more honest answer than you deserve but you have collectively decided to have a go. I had to face the same thing when I found myself within a factory full of exhausted women  who were very unstable because of the heavy hand of unrighteous people, but I stuck it out and tried to help. It soon became obvious what was happening and I was thrilled to see God's hand at work soothing and calming the whole scene, with me as his humble assistant so I am well able to reach over your  intimidation and tell those who might need this help...don't allow yourselves to be wound up...cling to faith in Jesus Christ and try to follow him accurately...ignore what iniquity tells you but talk with Jesus directly and you have begun a wonderful path that the antiChrist cannot prevent you from entering.

Like I said Nick, it's you that's going around in circles this post of yours is yet another example of exactly how I described the irrelevant senseless nonsense you insist on posting.

It's you Nick, you're the one going around in circles stuck in the groove try having the basic good manners to give people relevant answers to the perfectly legitimate questions they're asking of you.

What a daft answer by the way Nick?

Regards ippy     

[BeRational]

Faith is a component part of believing in something or someone who has all the right answers to our most serious problems but which is beyond our intellect. If a person dies but is resurrected then we have a deep and wonderful introduction to a possibility for us all. That we can be resurrected by the same faith. It means having faith in an all knowing Deity but that Deity has made it abundantly clear that our faith is well spent if we attach ourselves to their righteous teaching. My faith has introduced a small portion of that knowledge to me and because that knowledge is indesputeable it means that my faith has been well spent.

Faith is believing something in the absence of evidence.
If you have evidence you do not need faith.
Faith cannot reliably lead you to the truth, so it should never be used.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Faith is believing something in the absence of evidence.

Is it?