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Rhiannon

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Corbyn
« on: August 13, 2018, 09:45:19 PM »
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 09:52:22 PM »
Given it's now effectively admitted...
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 06:54:17 AM »
So does it matter?
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 08:27:26 AM »
Not sure whether it will be the thing that will bring an end to Corbyn, in fact I doubt that. But I think that it means the end will happen before the next election.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 08:48:35 AM »
I don't think the Labour party have got a cat's chance in hell of winning an election until they give Corbyn the heave ho.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2018, 08:50:32 AM »
It's all right-wing dirt-digging and lies. JC for PM!
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2018, 08:58:11 AM »
Quote from: Genial Harry Grout on August 14, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
It's all right-wing dirt-digging and lies. JC for PM!

Please tell me that's you being ironic.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2018, 09:06:59 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on August 14, 2018, 08:48:35 AM
I don't think the Labour party have got a cat's chance in hell of winning an election until they give Corbyn the heave ho.

I don't think you've got a cat in hell's chance of making a coherent political statement, but that's just my opinion.

Boris - Burka (proven comments), The press: oh ain't he funny. It's just his way. Look at the cute way he tousles his own hair. He even made us a cup of tea. Let's see how far we can get our tongues up his arse.

Corbyn (anti-Semite, but not proven and given the stance he has taken on anti-Semitism over the years, a lie) The press: A threat to the very fabric of British society. Give me a fucking break.

NB This is not from my pov a gesture of support for Corbyn who I have reservations about for completely different reasons. Just an observation of the complete an utter bollocks some people will not only swallow, but enjoy chewing on the way down to their prejudiced gullets.


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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2018, 09:08:04 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
Please tell me that's you being ironic.
No, it bloody well isn't. I think JC is great.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2018, 09:09:24 AM »
Quote from: Genial Harry Grout on August 14, 2018, 09:08:04 AM
No, it bloody well isn't. I think JC is great.


Peas in a pod. ;D
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2018, 09:11:52 AM »
Quote from: Genial Harry Grout on August 14, 2018, 09:08:04 AM
No, it bloody well isn't. I think JC is great.

So you are looking forward to him meeting with representatives from Britain First then.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2018, 09:21:05 AM »
One of my girls thought Corbyn was wonderful, but as had a bit of a rethink.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2018, 09:24:28 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on August 14, 2018, 09:21:05 AM
One of my girls thought Corbyn was wonderful, but as had a bit of a rethink.

I'd like him to be wonderful. Shame that he's actually a con-man.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2018, 09:27:16 AM »
Quote from: Genial Harry Grout on August 14, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
It's all right-wing dirt-digging and lies. JC for PM!
Except he's admitted that in this case it isn't. It was his own words in the Morning Star that meant it isn't lies.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2018, 09:28:00 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
I'd like him to be wonderful. Shame that he's actually a con-man.
I think that overestimates him.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 09:37:33 AM »
Sadly, whether Corbyn is a good man, a good Labour member, or even a good leader is no longer relevent. Elements of his own parliamentary party, combined with the main stream right wing media, have done an excellent job in blackening his name, making him toxic. A party leader's job, especially in opposition, is to unite that party behind him or her, making them a credible alternative leader in parliament. Corbyn seems incapable of this at a time when the Westminster parliament needs a strong, united main opposition party. Labour should be streets ahead of a hopelessly divided, self-obsessed Tory party in every opinion poll - but they are not - not by a long chalk. This must be put down to that party's leadership, and ultimately, Corbyn. At heart, I believe he is a decent man, but simply not the man to lead a party in crisis.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2018, 09:54:27 AM »
Mostly I agree with that, Jim, but I think he's also drinking the Kool-Aid supplied by his supporters. McDonnell when asked about comments that he made regarding the IRA apologised unreservedly. If Corbyn had the nous, he would have immediately appeared on TV saying that he was laying the wreath to his knowledge for those killed in Tunis, and had not been aware of the connection to the Munich killings, and apologised for not finding out about it at the time, and condemned what happened in Munich.


Instead we had the immediate claim from followers that it was fake news, which then was shown to be incorrect by Corbyn's own report, and even after that became clear his 'apology ' is weak and ambivalent, managing to portray himself as both naive and perhaps still not fully honest.


None of that means that I don't find the behaviour of some in his party in their attacks on him as deeply unpleadant, but there are also plenty of decent party members who see him as problematic in the extreme.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2018, 09:58:17 AM »
It's his approach to Brexit that has baffled me.   Well, he is pro-Brexit, so he has carried May's bags for her.   But I don't see another leader on the horizon, who?

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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2018, 10:06:10 AM »
Quote from: wigginhall on August 14, 2018, 09:58:17 AM
It's his approach to Brexit that has baffled me.   Well, he is pro-Brexit, so he has carried May's bags for her.   But I don't see another leader on the horizon, who?
Too many in the Labour Party thinking of some new centrist party and conniving in the dining rooms of their posh London houses for anyone to be doing leadership.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2018, 10:32:35 AM »
Yes, he should clear up the confusion over wreaths for Black September, saying 'I was present', is meaningless.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 10:37:01 AM »
Quote from: wigginhall on August 14, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
Yes, he should clear up the confusion over wreaths for Black September, saying 'I was present', is meaningless.

And 'I think' isn't helpful either.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2018, 10:45:41 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
I'd like him to be wonderful. Shame that he's actually a con-man.

There is something about him which doesn't ring true.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on August 14, 2018, 10:45:41 AM
There is something about him which doesn't ring true.

And....Theresa May, Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher. If you waited for a leader of  a political party to ring true you'll be cold in your grave.
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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2018, 10:50:47 AM »
Dear severely muddled,

What is the big fuss, the man simply see's the future!

Corbyn is not anti Semitic, and he is not a communist, is he a socialist? well explain to me what a socialist is.

The future, what are the facts?

1. Brexit, Corbyn is pro brexit and he would make a better negotiator over brexit than the Tory I don't give a fuck about Britain party.

2. Internet, our kids can't all be computer wizards, there needs to be real jobs out there.

3. Capitalism is a busted flush, it simply does not work, the Tory ideology of small government is history, we need to take all the basics of life back under government control, and we, the have's need to pay for it until future times when the have not's can also help pay their way.

4. The wealth of the world cannot simply be in the hands of a small percentage of the worlds population, they need to be taxed properly, taxation needs to be open and transparent.

5. Robots, they are here and they are taking our jobs, this is fact not fiction.

Commonsense and compassion must be the new words in politics and Corbyn has this in abundance, we can't simply going on taking we must start to give back, and this is not charity it is commonsense, if you have our kids future at heart then get behind Corbyn or people like him who see the future.

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Re: Corbyn
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2018, 10:53:09 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on August 14, 2018, 10:50:00 AM
And....Theresa May, Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher. If you waited for a leader of  a political party to ring true you'll be cold in your grave.

I buy May much more than I buy Corbyn, even though I don't agree with her over Brexit.
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