Corbyn

[wigginhall]

And 'I think' isn't helpful either.

I thought he was being honest, probably not advisable.

[Rhiannon]

I thought he was being honest, probably not advisable.

'I think' sounds evasive given the Morning Start article etc.

[wigginhall]

I say I think all the time, because my memory has gone.  I can't remember what I did yesterday.  But a politician can't admit that, far too human, and too old.  But he needs to clarify it, if he can, and as NS said, state that he does not support Black September.

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting couple of threads on Twitter



https://mobile.twitter.com/YairWallach/status/1029036661458591745

[Aruntraveller]

I buy May much more than I buy Corbyn, even though I don't agree with her over Brexit.

Then to rearrange a previous moniker - fool.

[Rhiannon]

I buy May much more than I buy Corbyn, even though I don't agree with her over Brexit.

No, they are both as scary as shit, just for different reasons.

[Nearly Sane]

I buy May much more than I buy Corbyn, even though I don't agree with her over Brexit.

What about her racist policy as Home Secretary?

[SteveH]

So you are looking forward to him meeting with representatives from Britain First then.

Jaw-jaw is better than war-war. We eventually had to talk to the IRA.

[Shaker]

I'm somewhat at a loss to explain why so few people are discussing the fact that the photographs of JC laying a wreath supposedly at the graves of the Black September terrorists who perpetrated the Munich massacre were taken in Tunis when said BS members are buried at the Sidi Munaidess cemetery in Tripoli, 320 miles away in another country.

Given that he's also been slated for attending the wedding of a Holocaust denier a full four years before the Holocaust-denying comments were made, perhaps he can bend the fabric of space-time as well as travel in time.

[Shaker]

Jaw-jaw is better than war-war. We eventually had to talk to the IRA.

Indeed. Thatcher's stated official policy of not talking to terrorists kept the IRA atrocities going throughout the 1980s. We all remember the names, I'm sure. Though the biggest hypocrite in British politics for other reasons, it was under John Major that we finally had to get around the table and start talking. Hence the GFA, and the peace which has held - shakily at times, true - ever since.

Unfortunately if you're committed to peace at times you're going to have to hold your nose and talk to some deeply unsavoury characters.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm somewhat at a loss to explain why so few people are discussing the fact that the photographs of JC laying a wreath supposedly at the graves of the Black September terrorists who perpetrated the Munich massacre were taken in Tunis when said BS members are buried at the Sidi Munaidess cemetery in Tripoli, 320 miles away in another country.

Given that he's also been slated for attending the wedding of a Holocaust denier a full four years before the Holocaust-denying comments were made, perhaps he can bend the fabric of space-time as well as travel in time.

And the graves of the supposed leaders of Black September are buried in the graveyard he was in, and were who he was referring to in the Morning Star.

[Shaker]

Supposed leaders?

[Nearly Sane]

Supposed leaders?

Those who are regarded as the leaders. Now if Corbyn were to argue they weren't your point might have some worth, since he has accepted it, it doesn't.

[SteveH]

And the graves of the supposed leaders of Black September are buried in the graveyard he was in, and were who he was referring to in the Morning Star.

Their graves are buried in the graveyard?!

[Nearly Sane]

Their graves are buried in the graveyard?!

Mea culpa, I apologize unreservedly for the grammatical solecism. Pity Corbyn can't do that for his part in this.

[Shaker]

Those who are regarded as the leaders. Now if Corbyn were to argue they weren't your point might have some worth, since he has accepted it, it doesn't.

So he has accepted that they were/are regarded as the leaders (by somebody or other) rather than that they actually were the leaders?

Thin gruel, isn't it? I'm not getting that hold-the-front-page feeling so far, tbh. X being thought of as Y, and X actually being Y being two different things, I mean.

[Nearly Sane]

So he has accepted that they were/are regarded as the leaders (by somebody or other) rather than that they actually were the leaders?

Thin gruel, isn't it? I'm not getting that hold-the-front-page feeling so far, tbh.

No, he hasn't challenged it all. And given that's the narrative he accepts it.

[Shaker]

No, he hasn't challenged it all. And given that's the narrative he accepts it.

I feel the dead hand of a form of the NPF hovering over this. He hasn't challenged what? That these men were/are thought of as leaders by whoever, or that they actually were the leaders?

[Nearly Sane]

I feel the dead hand of a form of the NPF hovering over this. He hasn't challenged what?

That he was at a wreath laying, where wreaths were laid to the organisers of the Munich terrorist atrocity.

[Shaker]

That he was at a wreath laying, where wreaths were laid to the organisers of the Munich terrorist atrocity.

He has said that his presence in Tunis had nothing to do with that. Is that a challenge?

[Nearly Sane]

He has said that his presence in Tunis had nothing to do with that. Is that a challenge?

He's said he thinks he wasn't involved. And it isn't a challenge to those having wreaths placed in their graves as being organisers of the Munich terrorist atrocity. And given he mentioned that as part of the Morning Star comment it shows he's either lying, didn't really understand what he was saying then, or didn't care enough about what was happening to find out.

[SusanDoris]

There is something about him which doesn't ring true.

And can you imagine him dealing even half competently  with diplomatic situations around the world. Yuck!

[Nearly Sane]

And can you imagine him dealing even half competently  with diplomatic situations around the world. Yuck!

Pity our current PM is a lying incompetent racist though.

[SusanDoris]

What about her racist policy as Home Secretary?

Name me a politician who has not made a mistake or three, but they are all human beings. I get the impression sometimes (here and elsewhere) that people imagine there will one day be a perfect PM who has never made mistakes. If there were such a paragon of virtue, he/she would be useless as a PM since he/she would not understand what it was to make mistakes. The most important thing is to learn from them, and at the moment we have a PM who is doing the best she can. Name me one person who could step in and do better, not only with Brexit but on the world stage.

I can hear the gasps of horror already!!,

[Nearly Sane]

Name me a politician who has not made a mistake or three, but they are all human beings. I get the impression sometimes (here and elsewhere) that people imagine there will one day be a perfect PM who has never made mistakes. If there were such a paragon of virtue, he/she would be useless as a PM since he/she would not understand what it was to make mistakes. The most important thing is to learn from them, and at the moment we have a PM who is doing the best she can. Name me one person who could step in and do better, not only with Brexit but on the world stage.

I can hear the gasps of horror already!!,

Which just makes you a hypocrite as regards Cotbyn. And I don't think being racist and lying is a mistake. May is a disaster. As to who could do better, anyone who isn't a racist lying incompetent.