Covering up child abuse

[ippy]

I have watched this several tmes and each time my respect for Stephen Fry is justified.

In the same debate Anne Widdicombe made me want to vomit but the vote at the end of the debate, especially the difference from the one taken before the debate, was a vindication of everything he said - unfortunately his partner in the debate will give one poster on this Forum apoplexy!

Yes it was quite a debate, I was there and a large section of the audience about 50-70 walked out en-bulk, after Chris spoke, there was a terrific atmosphere.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

The vote here is merely an ad pop. And all it shows is that one side had better debaters. It's the same nonsense that Alan/Alien, once of this parish, used to trout out about William Lane Craig. The better speaker is no indication of them being right.

I'm inclined to agree with your view about the overall quality of the better debaters on one side and the result N S, that's all very interesting but I'm just wondering what this had to do with this post of mine where all I wrote about amounted to was giving Stephen Fry's appraisal of the RCC a thumbs up? 

Regards ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I'm inclined to agree with your view about the overall quality of the better debaters on one side and the result N S, that's all very interesting but I'm just wondering what this had to do with this post of mine where all I wrote about amounted to was giving Stephen Fry's appraisal of the RCC a thumbs up? 

Regards ippy

You mentioned the vote.

ETA Apologies you didn't mention the vote, Owlswing did in the post I replied to.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46539341

I am sure the people who were allegedly abused will be so thrilled the Pope has demoted these cardinals!

[Owlswing]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46539341

I am sure the people who were allegedly abused will be so thrilled the Pope has demoted these cardinals!

Expectng anything of any use from either the Pope or the Catholic Church as a whole is like expecting the EU to propose a Brexit deal that costs neither the EU nor the UK a penny.

[Roses]

Expectng anything of any use from either the Pope or the Catholic Church as a whole is like expecting the EU to propose a Brexit deal that costs neither the EU nor the UK a penny.

True.

[jeremyp]

Expectng anything of any use from either the Pope or the Catholic Church as a whole is like expecting the EU to propose a Brexit deal that costs neither the EU nor the UK a penny.

Here's a Brexit deal that will cost the EU and the UK not a penny (at least not a penny more than has already been spent on the fiasco): stay in the EU. That's a deal that's still on the table.

[Owlswing]

Things are not getting better for the Church are they?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/naming-names-reckoning-underway-us-104441015.html

[Harrowby Hall]

Who knows!

The increased levels of publicity about the wrong doings of the clergy and the the declining levels of vocations may well drag the RCC attitudes to sex, sexuality, chastity, marriage and celibacy into the 20th century.

[Aruntraveller]

Who knows!

The increased levels of publicity about the wrong doings of the clergy and the the declining levels of vocations may well drag the RCC attitudes to sex, sexuality, chastity, marriage and celibacy into the 20th century.

Eventually they may make it into the 21st century   

[Harrowby Hall]

Eventually they may make it into the 21st century   

Karma applaud.   

[Owlswing]

Karma applaud.   

Agreed - they only have about 500 years to go!

[Roses]

Who knows!

The increased levels of publicity about the wrong doings of the clergy and the the declining levels of vocations may well drag the RCC attitudes to sex, sexuality, chastity, marriage and celibacy into the 20th century.

Oh come on, they have to get through all the other centuries first!

[SteveH]

Oh come on, they have to get through all the other centuries first!

[Sassy]

I wonder how the parents did not see it?    Abuse on such a large scale but no one became aware of it?
My parent's would have noticed something wrong and my parents would never allowed us to be in such an unsupervised position for abuse to take place.
I haven't time to read through, but I take it the abuse happened to children in Roman Catholic Orphanages?

We believe abuse is abuse yet we allow men to bring their 13 year old wives to this country.

Are we a world of humans who have double standards?

[Sebastian Toe]

We believe abuse is abuse yet we allow men to bring their 13 year old wives to this country.

We do that?
Terrible!
How common is it?

[Roses]

I wonder how the parents did not see it?    Abuse on such a large scale but no one became aware of it?
My parent's would have noticed something wrong and my parents would never allowed us to be in such an unsupervised position for abuse to take place.
I haven't time to read through, but I take it the abuse happened to children in Roman Catholic Orphanages?

We believe abuse is abuse yet we allow men to bring their 13 year old wives to this country.

Are we a world of humans who have double standards?

Can you provide evidence to support that claim? If it is true it is shocking to say the least.

[Robbie]

My parents would have noticed and believed me had anything happened to me.

Unfortunately many didn't in the past, it seemed to be beyond their understanding.  Too awful to contemplate in years gone by, not so much now.  Everyone is more wised up now thank goodness.

[Roses]

My parents would have noticed and believed me had anything happened to me.

Unfortunately many didn't in the past, it seemed to be beyond their understanding.  Too awful to contemplate in years gone by, not so much now.  Everyone is more wised up now thank goodness.

Some parents would prefer to think the abuser is above doing that sort of thing, as I know for a fact.

[Robbie]

Yes I agree, LR.  It is too awful a thing to contemplate for many parents, however I know my parents would have believed me had such a thing happened when I was young. Something did happen when I was 19, nearly 20. I told my sister and mother and they believed me, so did Dad but unfortunately there was no way of identifying the man concerned so nothing could be done. I couldn't even remember what he looked like. It happened at a student house with lots of rooms, I felt so stupid but when he took me to a room I thought he was going to show me something, like a painting or book collection. I remember Rhiannon and I talking about it, she had had similar but was younger than me when it happened to her.

What really hurt was the fact that I told an acquaintance/ friend (who was going to meet me there but didn't turn up unless she came later), and she didn't believe me. She also told someone else who didn't believe me either.

I feel they would believe me now, times have changed and why would I lie about something like that?

Something also happened to my sis and I went for him big time! Surprised he is still alive and I'm not a violent, angry person by nature but I gave it to him big time.

[Roses]

Yes I agree, LR.  It is too awful a thing to contemplate for many parents, however I know my parents would have believed me had such a thing happened when I was young. Something did happen when I was 19, nearly 20. I told my sister and mother and they believed me, so did Dad but unfortunately there was no way of identifying the man concerned so nothing could be done. I couldn't even remember what he looked like. It happened at a student house with lots of rooms, I felt so stupid but when he took me to a room I thought he was going to show me something, like a painting or book collection. I remember Rhiannon and I talking about it, she had had similar but was younger than me when it happened to her.

What really hurt was the fact that I told an acquaintance/ friend (who was going to meet me there but didn't turn up unless she came later), and she didn't believe me. She also told someone else who didn't believe me either.

I feel they would believe me now, times have changed and why would I lie about something like that?

Something also happened to my sis and I went for him big time! Surprised he is still alive and I'm not a violent, angry person by nature but I gave it to him big time.

It was the pastor of the Pentecostal church I attended as a child who touched me inappropriately when I was 14. My parents chose not to believe me when I informed them.

[Roses]

I have just seen this BBC News report.

A senior Roman Catholic Cardinal has said that files documenting child sexual abuse were destroyed, allowing offences to continue.
German Cardinal Reinhard Marx told a conference on paedophilia in the Church that procedures to prosecute offenders "were deliberately not complied with".
"The rights of victims were effectively trampled underfoot," he said.
The unprecedented four-day summit has brought together 190 bishops from across the world.
The Catholic Church has faced growing pressure amid long-running cases of sexual abuse of children and young men, with victims accusing it of failing to tackle the issue.


 

[Roses]

Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty in Australia of sexual offences against children, making him the highest-ranking Catholic figure to receive such a conviction.

I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.

[Sassy]

https://allthatsinteresting.com/myra-gale-brown-jerry-lee-lewis

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old third cousin.  They landed in England but after a few shows and the publics disgust they left.

It isn't something new. Many from abroad when they come here bring child brides. But nothing is said.

It is a fact but what can be done about it?

[Roses]

Last night we watched a programme on the iplayer about child brides in the US. My husband and I were gobsmacked, to say the least, that it is legal in quite a number of states to marry a young girl. This often happens to prevent an adult male from being prosecuted for having sex with a girl who is underage, usually resulting in a pregnancy!