Pasta la vista, Baby.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/16/pastafarianism-is-not-a-religion-dutch-court-rules

[Shaker]

Pastafarianism lacks the "coherence" of an established religion, they said.

Comedy gold 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Pastafarianism lacks the "coherence" of an established religion, they said.

Comedy gold 

I disagree with the judge. I think the lady certainly looks as though she takes spaghetti seriously.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Pastafarianism lacks the "coherence" of an established religion, they said.

Comedy gold 

I think the incoherence the judge was talking about was being a pastafarian claiming to be a religious person and being a roaring atheist possibly of the card carrying variety.

[wigginhall]

There are lots of religious people who are atheists.   I probably know dozens.   Religion not = theism.

[Rhiannon]

If someone takes their religion seriously - in this case, Pastafarianism - , doesn't that make it a serious religion?

[wigginhall]

I don't see why you can't have an ironic religion or a comic religion.

[Rhiannon]

I don't see why you can't have an ironic religion or a comic religion.

And surely a satirical or ironic religion is also something that people take seriously?

[Gordon]

I don't see why you can't have an ironic religion or a comic religion.

Some would say we already have.

[ippy]

Taking religion as seriously as is necessary.

ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If someone takes their religion seriously - in this case, Pastafarianism - , doesn't that make it a serious religion?

Unfortunately this lady's "look at me I'm taking the piss" smirk must have been a giveaway.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If someone takes their religion seriously - in this case, Pastafarianism - , doesn't that make it a serious religion?

Clue... colander on head.

[ippy]

Unfortunately this lady's "look at me I'm taking the piss" smirk must have been a giveaway.

I take comfort that religion's on its way out at least it is here in the U K, haven't you noticed how religionists are now largly looked on as a bunch of oddballs?

Regards ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Clue... colander on head.

As opposed to a mitre?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I take comfort that religion's on its way out at least it is here in the U K, haven't you noticed how religionists are now largly looked on as a bunch of oddballs?

Regards ippy

If you think religionists are oddballs then Pastafarianism is the atheist equivalent of imitating down syndrome people. Your focus on religion would therefore represent the sublimated desire to torment the psychologically impaired....IMHO.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As opposed to a mitre?

A mitre is a type of hat.


David Hume wore a silly hat but you overlook that.

Antitheists sell each other the darndest things

https://www.zazzle.co.uk/david_hume_is_my_homeboy_trucker_hat-148738186633920931

[Nearly Sane]

A mitre is a type of hat.


David Hume wore a silly hat but you overlook that.

Antitheists sell each other the darndest things

https://www.zazzle.co.uk/david_hume_is_my_homeboy_trucker_hat-148738186633920931

It's a silly piece of headwear, just as Hume's bag on head. You're the one suggesting silly headgear is indicative of lack of seriousness, but you just specially plead that the mitre is ok even though it's as ludicrous as a colander.

[Nearly Sane]

The question here is surely what is it that makes something stated to be a religion worthy of being treated differently from any other beliefs. First of all you have to establish that any religion merits this, and what type of treatment is merited, then how you establish that what a religion means so that the treatment is consistent.

It doesn't seem to make any sense that because you find the actions of those following a religion to be ludicrous that this means it isn't a religion since by that process there are no religions. Further to use the supposed motivation from those involved as not being serious enough is fraught with the same issues.

It has always looked to me that people use the word cult to describe religions they don't think live up to some unclear standard that they have in one of those verb declensions:
I am religious
You are cults
They will burn in the lake of fire.

[ippy]

If you think religionists are oddballs then Pastafarianism is the atheist equivalent of imitating down syndrome people. Your focus on religion would therefore represent the sublimated desire to torment the psychologically impaired....IMHO.

Pastafarianism's  no more or any less daft than any other kind of belief Vlad.

Regards ippy

[Shaker]

It has always liked to me that people use the word cult to describe religions they don't think live up to some unclear standard that they have in one of those verb declensions:
I am religious
You are cults
They will burn in the lake of fire.

A religion is only a cult with accountants.

[Gordon]

If you think religionists are oddballs then Pastafarianism is the atheist equivalent of imitating down syndrome people.

Surprised to see you make such a crass comment, Vlad.

[Roses]

If you think religionists are oddballs then Pastafarianism is the atheist equivalent of imitating down syndrome people. Your focus on religion would therefore represent the sublimated desire to torment the psychologically impaired....IMHO.

I take exception to that highly unpleasant comment, my adopted son has Down's Syndrome, a nicer person you couldn't wish to meet. You have overstepped the mark this time.

[Nearly Sane]

Surprised to see you make such a crass comment, Vlad.

Surely Vlad's attempted point is that if you think religion is a psychological problem, then mocking it is the same as doing that to anything we might see as a disability. I don't think ippy 's use of 'oddballs'  amounts to that but Vlad arguing that it does, doesn't in my view make his point crass.

[Rhiannon]

Surely Vlad's attempted point is that if you think religion is a psychological problem, then mocking it is the same as doing that to anything we might see as a disability. I don't think ippy 's use of 'oddballs'  amounts to that but Vlad arguing that it does, doesn't in my view make his point crass.

We pepper our conversations with language that derides mental illness - nutters, oddballs, loons - hell, even I do it. But as I am one perhaps that's an equivalent of black people using the n-word.

[Nearly Sane]

We pepper our conversations with language that derides mental illness - nutters, oddballs, loons - hell, even I do it. But as I am one perhaps that's an equivalent of black people using the n-word.

Putting my mod hat on, I will point out that one of the things we do act on is any direct questioning of a poster's mental state.

Removing it and replacing it on my capacious imaginary hatstand, the use of such terms can move from mild so extreme. I think that 'oddballs' can simply be read as not the norm, rather than anything else so I read Vlad as unjustified in the comparison on that occasion. But I don't see the comparison he made as being a crass one as a general point.