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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #350 on: April 08, 2019, 08:54:18 AM »
A huge worry in the more extreme ideas in TRA is the amount of medical intervention this has on children.



https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/04/22/the-trans-child-as-experimental-guinea-pig/


I was shocked when I heard that on this morning's news. :o
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #351 on: April 22, 2019, 09:01:43 PM »

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« Reply #352 on: April 23, 2019, 01:26:12 AM »

This is what it feels like to have women's sport killed

http://thevelvetchronicle.com/selina-soule-connecticut-state-championships-the-equality-act/


I have to agree that this is a serious problem in allowing MTF trans athletes to compete against natal-women (is that the expression?) athletes.

Only recently there was an case of a natal woman (again ?) with an unusually high, but naturally occurring, jihj l;evel of testosterone in her blood - this being the case how the Hell do these MTF's get away with it?

The problem in ther US is that, in a lot of cases it is winning that matters not how you win - see Lance Armstrong!
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« Reply #353 on: June 21, 2019, 10:11:04 AM »
Good for the Scottish Govt - and major credit to Joan McAlpine - let's hope we get sensible legislation that supports everyone.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48661777

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #354 on: June 24, 2019, 10:19:35 AM »

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« Reply #355 on: June 25, 2019, 09:04:47 AM »
Ok, what he actually means is sex rather than gender but this is just bizarre.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/teen-17-who-sparked-row-for-saying-there-are-only-two-genders-suspended-from-school-for-three-weeks-a4173736.html
I agree that he seems to be confusing sex and gender.

On the face of this a 3 week fixed term exclusion seems very harsh. But in these types of case I am always sceptical as we never see the full information. We don't actually know the nature of the exchange in the class room - for example whether there was a TG person present who was actively targeted. We also see nothing of other exchanges - certainly his attitude to the teacher is borderline subordinate and it may be that in further interactions, perhaps with members of the school senior leadership team that he went further, and this is what triggered the 3 week fixed term exclusion.

Now I'm not sure whether the law is different in Scotland, but in England the rules surrounding a 15 day fixed term exclusion (or a series of shorter exclusions adding up to 15 days) are the same as for a permanent exclusion. This requires formal consideration of the head teacher's decision by a panel of governors with the panel following quasi-judicial process and the right to appeal to a further independent local body. No school would do this lightly as the amount of work, stress and pressure on all involved is huge.

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« Reply #356 on: June 25, 2019, 09:16:45 AM »
Ok, what he actually means is sex rather than gender but this is just bizarre.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/teen-17-who-sparked-row-for-saying-there-are-only-two-genders-suspended-from-school-for-three-weeks-a4173736.html
Actually if you look behind the headline, and find other news outlets it appears that what lead to the suspension was him filming the conversation without consent and then posting the footage, which will clearly be in breach of any school's policies.

So as ever the story isn't quite what it appears to be.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #358 on: July 03, 2019, 12:29:55 PM »
On the 'transphobia' of sexuality

https://spectator.us/women-penises-transphobic/?fbclid=IwAR2hEkpBsy5nEiHvW09U6viIIwguhHwILSLo-YkxnYrSxGFZNMRPy3pDGyE
I recently joined a transgender group so I could go round punching people in the face in the name of 'tolerance'

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« Reply #359 on: July 03, 2019, 12:48:44 PM »
I recently joined a transgender group so I could go round punching people in the face in the name of 'tolerance'
  Many trans people suffer abuse. I think your post must have sounded better in your head

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« Reply #360 on: July 03, 2019, 05:32:53 PM »
Interesting article on the subject of Murray who has been expelled from Mearns Academy.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/battle-mearns-academy
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« Reply #361 on: July 03, 2019, 05:52:05 PM »
Interesting article on the subject of Murray who has been expelled from Mearns Academy.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/battle-mearns-academy
Mmm one of those articles I feel slightly dirty about reading. Anything voting Vox Dei is likely to be very right wing.

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« Reply #362 on: July 03, 2019, 06:28:17 PM »
Mmm one of those articles I feel slightly dirty about reading. Anything voting Vox Dei is likely to be very right wing.

Never head of any movement called 'Vox Dei', I know what the words mean. I shall have to investigate them.

That link was on a Mumsnet thread, I just thought it might be interesting to those contributing to this thread.

Edit: Oh yeah, Vox Day mentioned, very right wing. I don't know who has been voting for them though (in relation to that article).

Not to worry.
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« Reply #364 on: July 03, 2019, 06:43:26 PM »
Never head of any movement called 'Vox Dei', I know what the words mean. I shall have to investigate them.

That link was on a Mumsnet thread, I just thought it might be interesting to those contributing to this thread.

Edit: Oh yeah, Vox Day mentioned, very right wing. I don't know who has been voting for them though (in relation to that article).

Not to worry.
Should be quoting.

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« Reply #365 on: July 03, 2019, 08:06:49 PM »
This is damning of Stonewall


https://fovas.wordpress.com/response-to-stonewall-2/?fbclid=IwAR1nxIE-DZhr8zfKCnPHrcJZwbNFQtBr0v2_DauIKTk6Ngw0RKj2jUfFgK8
So I'm confused now . Are we supposed to accept a bloke who identifies as a woman or not then?

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #366 on: July 03, 2019, 08:19:27 PM »
So I'm confused now . Are we supposed to accept a bloke who identifies as a woman or not then?
There are times when your pretend bluntness is just tedious. This is one of them.

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« Reply #367 on: July 03, 2019, 08:21:14 PM »
There are times when your pretend bluntness is just tedious. This is one of them.
It matches your predictability !

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #368 on: July 03, 2019, 08:39:26 PM »
It matches your predictability !
There are serious issues here but have your little boring I'm so controversial me wank into your face.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #369 on: July 03, 2019, 08:55:57 PM »
To Walter: have you ever met any trans women (or men come to that)?

I haven't met many but know one quite well from work. I can honestly say I never think about the fact that she is a trans woman, it's not an elephant in the room, she is just a very efficient colleague. We chew over work matters, occasionally talk about other things if we're on a break at the same time. It wouldn't occur to me to ask her personal questions, I don't know her story, e.g. how far she has gone in the trans process; I just accept her & like her (no idea what anyone else at work thinks, I don't get into gossiping about work mates).

My view is that anyone can call themselves a woman or a man, dress that way and have the outward appearance of the opposite sex; they should be able to move in society without being singled out, ridiculed or persecuted. I'm not being PC, it's just how I feel.

However I do not believe anyone can change their sex, my colleague is still physically a man though, psychologically or by inclination, a woman.

I'm concerned about children being encouraged to take hormones or even have surgery to 'change sex', what happens if they change their mind later? It does seem to be becoming fashionable - yet most people have never even thought about it apart from seeing something on TV.

Regarding Murray, the boy who spoke out at school about gender and recorded the conversation with a teacher, I agree with him. Regardless of whether I agree, he should not have been reprimanded for saying what he believes. He wasn't being 'hateful', just stating facts as he sees them and as most people see them.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #370 on: July 03, 2019, 10:45:37 PM »
To Walter: have you ever met any trans women (or men come to that)?

I haven't met many but know one quite well from work. I can honestly say I never think about the fact that she is a trans woman, it's not an elephant in the room, she is just a very efficient colleague. We chew over work matters, occasionally talk about other things if we're on a break at the same time. It wouldn't occur to me to ask her personal questions, I don't know her story, e.g. how far she has gone in the trans process; I just accept her & like her (no idea what anyone else at work thinks, I don't get into gossiping about work mates).

My view is that anyone can call themselves a woman or a man, dress that way and have the outward appearance of the opposite sex; they should be able to move in society without being singled out, ridiculed or persecuted. I'm not being PC, it's just how I feel.

However I do not believe anyone can change their sex, my colleague is still physically a man though, psychologically or by inclination, a woman.

I'm concerned about children being encouraged to take hormones or even have surgery to 'change sex', what happens if they change their mind later? It does seem to be becoming fashionable - yet most people have never even thought about it apart from seeing something on TV.

Regarding Murray, the boy who spoke out at school about gender and recorded the conversation with a teacher, I agree with him. Regardless of whether I agree, he should not have been reprimanded for saying what he believes. He wasn't being 'hateful', just stating facts as he sees them and as most people see them.
Hi Robbie

yes I have met two trans women , I know them quite well , they happen to share a house together .
We have spent many happy and hilarious times together in the pub in a little village I frequent . I like them a lot but to be honest they look ridiculous , both over 6 feet and waring dresses from the 70s . They know they look odd but they don't care so neither do I

as for the rest of your post , I totally agree with you

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #371 on: July 03, 2019, 10:47:33 PM »
There are serious issues here but have your little boring I'm so controversial me wank into your face.
would you like to try that one again , in English ?

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #372 on: July 04, 2019, 06:40:11 AM »
would you like to try that one again , in English ?
Your post to Robbie shows you don't have to play your contrarian persona, and on serious subjects when you do put on your little mask, it's just pointless

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #373 on: July 04, 2019, 09:47:53 AM »
Your post to Robbie shows you don't have to play your contrarian persona, and on serious subjects when you do put on your little mask, it's just pointless
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #374 on: July 04, 2019, 09:50:52 AM »
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