Trans rights: a perspective

[Nearly Sane]

I am not clear if the publishers are saying she used the Erin Hunter Twitter account rather than her own Gillian Phillip Twitter account to support JK Rowling.

it was her twitter handle.

[Nearly Sane]

Good clear article from Maya Forstater about some misconceptions about her case.


https://medium.com/@MForstater/five-myths-and-truths-about-my-case-8466d69f9489?source=friends_link&sk=21c599e848f4918b8e8a2f3ba8e88133

[Nearly Sane]

Long sad piece from Beatrix Campbell on why she is leaving the Green Party.


http://www.beatrixcampbell.co.uk/bad-dreams-greens-and-gender/

[Nearly Sane]

And on the attack on the idea of lesbianism as same sex attraction


https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

[Aruntraveller]

And on the attack on the idea of lesbianism as same sex attraction


https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

Fucking hell. I've tried to read all of that and I just can't.

Does this mean I've got to have sex with a woman because it doesn't matter that she hasn't got a dick? Or have I got to have sex with FTM trans post op because she has got a dick? Or with a MTF pre-op trans because they've still got a dick. Answers on a postcard please.

Life was much less complicated in the 70's.

You had straights, puffs, dykes and some friendly but strange men who dressed as women. What there wasn't between these groups (leaving out the straights, because that was a whole other level of nastiness) was this level of hostility.

[Nearly Sane]

Fucking hell. I've tried to read all of that and I just can't.

Does this mean I've got to have sex with a woman because it doesn't matter that she hasn't got a dick? Or have I got to have sex with FTM trans post op because she has got a dick? Or with a MTF pre-op trans because they've still got a dick. Answers on a postcard please.

Life was much less complicated in the 70's.

You had straights, puffs, dykes and some strange men who dressed as women. What there wasn't between these groups (leaving out the straights, because that was a whole other level of nastiness) was this level of hostility.

This is Merriam-Webster dictionary now

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

Much of this is because a strand of TRA sees same SEX attraction as wrong. It's been much more obvious about lesbianism because men are much more aggressive.

[Aruntraveller]

On reading further I find out that because I identify as a "same sex attracted" gay (is there any other type?) I am automatically a TERF.

I am pleased to have achieved this accolade, although I think the person who thinks I am this perhaps ought to check the definition of "exclusionary". And also, although I'm all for equal rights for women I don't think I really deserve the appellation "radical feminist".

After giving this some consideration, I don't think I deserve this high praise.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't just believe in equal rights for women. I believe in women's sex based rights which are exclusionary as part of the redress of how society works.

But that doesn't make me a feminist - because I am a man. I can only be an ally. Oddly lots of men willing to declare themself as feminists want to say that any man who says he's a woman can access women's spaces.

[Nearly Sane]

Good piece


https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-feminists-me-stand-jk-rowling-trans-rights-row-susan-dalgety-2910085

[jeremyp]

You had straights, puffs, dykes and some friendly but strange men who dressed as women. What there wasn't between these groups (leaving out the straights, because that was a whole other level of nastiness) was this level of hostility.

Nothing has changed. The trans women who are focusing all this nastiness on lesbians are biologically the same as the straight men who subjected you to the "whole other level of nastiness" you experienced in the 70's.

What's quite interesting is that straight men don't seem to be subject to this kind of hate from trans women who are attracted to men and I doubt if you are subjected to the same kind of hate from trans men who are attracted to men. The problem seems to be entirely with trans women who are attracted to women i.e. heterosexual biological males.

[Aruntraveller]

Nothing has changed. The trans women who are focusing all this nastiness on lesbians are biologically the same as the straight men who subjected you to the "whole other level of nastiness" you experienced in the 70's.

What's quite interesting is that straight men don't seem to be subject to this kind of hate from trans women who are attracted to men and I doubt if you are subjected to the same kind of hate from trans men who are attracted to men. The problem seems to be entirely with trans women who are attracted to women i.e. heterosexual biological males.

Yes. That sounds about right to me.

[Nearly Sane]

This is a 'gender' test. It shows just how strongly the idea of gender is based on regressive patriarchal stereotypes. Dangerous nonsense to be touting this to and about young children as the 'charity' Mermaids does.
Utter unmitigated pish.

My wife scored 100% masculine, 8% feminine so would be wheeched off to the 'gender' clinic tomorrow.

Whereas I am 38% masculine, and 29% feminine so am undifferentiated androgynous.

Fact is though she is a woman, and I am a man because those are facts. I am more likely to suffer badly were I to catch covid and my undifferentiated androgynousness will have fuck all to do with that.

https://www.idrlabs.com/gender/test.php

[Aruntraveller]

I got 25% masculine & 56% feminine.

I am casually feminine. Whatever the fuck that is. I did say that I didn't avoid cursing on the test 

[Nearly Sane]

I got 25% masculine & 56% feminine.

I am casually feminine. Whatever the fuck that is. I did say that I didn't avoid cursing on the test 

You casual, you.

[Harrowby Hall]

I too am casually feminine - 33% masculine, 47% feminine.

I suspect that the instrument has been validated in the USA and makes few (if any) allowances for behaviour, values and attitudes in other cultures.


Supplementary information: From Wikipedia

The Bem Sex-Role Inventory was created by Sandra Bem in an effort to measure androgyny. It was published in 1974. Stereotypical masculine and feminine traits were found by surveying 100 Stanford undergraduate students on which traits they found to be socially desirable for each sex. The original list of 200 traits was narrowed down to the 40 masculine and feminine traits that appear on the present test. Normative data was found from a 1973 sample for 444 males and 279 females and a 1978 sample of 340 females and 476 males all also from Stanford University undergraduates.

[Nearly Sane]

I too am casually feminine - 33% masculine, 47% feminine.

I suspect that the instrument has been validated in the USA and makes few (if any) allowances for behaviour, values and attitudes in other cultures.


Supplementary information: From Wikipedia

Which just goes to show what a lot of dangerous stereotypical specific bollocks it is.

[jeremyp]

This is a 'gender' test. It shows just how strongly the idea of gender is based on regressive patriarchal stereotypes. Dangerous nonsense to be touting this to and about young children as the 'charity' Mermaids does.
Utter unmitigated pish.

My wife scored 100% masculine, 8% feminine so would be wheeched off to the 'gender' clinic tomorrow.

Whereas I am 38% masculine, and 29% feminine so am undifferentiated androgynous.

Fact is though she is a woman, and I am a man because those are facts. I am more likely to suffer badly were I to catch covid and my undifferentiated androgynousness will have fuck all to do with that.

https://www.idrlabs.com/gender/test.php

Undifferentiated androgynous 47-36

[jeremyp]

Undifferentiated androgynous 47-36

I t occurs to me that, at least, they can't call me an "old white man" anymore.

Anyway, you can't call me "he" anymore. My preferred pronouns are xi/xog/xam unless you are talking behind my back, in which case "that fucking twat" is probably appropriate.

[Nearly Sane]

Stella Perrett on being removed from the Morning Star


https://uncommongroundmedia.com/stella-perrett-right-of-reply-morning-star/

[Nearly Sane]

Makes a lot of sense


https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/19/transwomen-face-potential-womens-rugby-ban-over-safety-concerns?__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

Idiotic regressive drivel from the Green party


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaQRTdcds0

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Not been following this transsexual malarkey. Sorry, I got diverted a bit by a fucking fat wanker trying to destroy the British economy and parliamentary democracy, climate change and a global pandemic.

Can anybody bring me up to speed on this?

[jeremyp]

Makes a lot of sense


https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/19/transwomen-face-potential-womens-rugby-ban-over-safety-concerns?__twitter_impression=true

The only thing that surprises me about that is that trans women are not already banned from women's rugby. Also, it's not just about tackling. The scrum is a very dangerous place if one or two of the players are significantly stronger and heavier than the others.

[jeremyp]

Idiotic regressive drivel from the Green party


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaQRTdcds0

"Unity in diversity". That's a good one.

Only the last speaker even attempted to answer the question and her answer was incredibly problematic. "Being a woman is an attitude". I would be interested to know which attitude it is she thinks all women share.

[Nearly Sane]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/emperors-new-as-19166406?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=postshare&fbclid=IwAR2Ria4P0FeizOVjZcRnJVfft8HI3yK-tqLfc7HaqSi83_iLAkzirWFBAdI