Trans rights: a perspective

[Aruntraveller]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/emperors-new-as-19166406?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=postshare&fbclid=IwAR2Ria4P0FeizOVjZcRnJVfft8HI3yK-tqLfc7HaqSi83_iLAkzirWFBAdI

Thanks for that article NS.

One of the clearest explanations I have seen covering this issue so far.

The Suppository of Human Wisdom could do worse than to start here to bring himself up to speed.

[Owlswing]

The Suppository of Human Wisdom could do worse than to start here to bring himself up to speed.

Calling himself a Suppository goes to show just how far up himself he really is.

[Nearly Sane]

Calling himself a Suppository goes to show just how far up himself he really is.

To be fair on this thread he's asked about what he should read. Trent's post suggests something he should read.

[Owlswing]

To be fair on this thread he's asked about what he should read. Trent's post suggests something he should read.

On his past record, I cannot see him using anything worthwhile that he reads being used to any useful purpose other than material for more bad jokes.

Still I suppose we can but hope.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

To be fair on this thread he's asked about what he should read. Trent's post suggests something he should read.

For which I'm most grateful to you both Mr S and Mr T.

[Nearly Sane]

JK Rowling on the medicalisation of gender issues for minors.


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287015013513920512.html

[Nearly Sane]

Good piece


https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/feminism-not-right-wing-and-word-woman-not-discriminatory-susan-dalgety-2929851

[Nearly Sane]

What is a woman?


http://archive.is/DBcxh

[Nearly Sane]

Good thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1290241809583505409.html

[jeremyp]

Trans woman "fears losing rugby as a community".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53667683

I'm sorry for her, but if mixing trans women with women makes the game too dangerous for the women, then it's too bad.

[Nearly Sane]

https://medium.com/@drtonylycholat/rugby-and-transgender-inclusion-4d16bebde239

[Nearly Sane]

Hmm....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8632995/amp/Two-police-forces-slammed-refusing-job-applications-candidates-gender-critical-views.html?__twitter_impression=true

[jeremyp]

Hmm....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8632995/amp/Two-police-forces-slammed-refusing-job-applications-candidates-gender-critical-views.html?__twitter_impression=true

In that case, I suspect there is another side to the story.

[Nearly Sane]

In that case, I suspect there is another side to the story.

Evidence?

[jeremyp]

Evidence?

1. It's the Daily Mail

2. Details are sparse.

We don't know the context in which the applicant said that they don't believe a person can change sex. Perhaps they were asked if they would treat trans gender people differently when "on the beat". We don't know.

[Nearly Sane]

1. It's the Daily Mail

2. Details are sparse.

We don't know the context in which the applicant said that they don't believe a person can change sex. Perhaps they were asked if they would treat trans gender people differently when "on the beat". We don't know.

So no evidence. There is a Telegraph story that covers much of it but it's paywalled.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

[jeremyp]

So no evidence. There is a Telegraph story that covers much of it but it's paywalled.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

I can't read that, but, in the few lines I can read, it talks about "a woman". One person who flunked an interview because she came across as transphobic is not really an indictment of British police forces.

[Nearly Sane]

I can't read that, but, in the few lines I can read, it talks about "a woman". One person who flunked an interview because she came across as transphobic is not really an indictment of British police forces.

not what it says. Btw the way what is a woman?

[jeremyp]

not what it says.

It is what it says:

A woman was told a role in the police 'would not be suitable for you' after she said people can't change their biological sex

Do you know in what context she said that? Were you present at the interview?

Btw the way what is a woman?

Adult human female. Why do you think her sex or gender is relevant?

[Nearly Sane]

It is what it says:
Do you know in what context she said that? Were you present at the interview?

Adult human female. Why do you think her sex or gender is relevant?

There wasn't an interview.

I didn't say her sex was relevant. I asked you about what you thought a woman was. Your answer would have meant the 2 police forces would have refused an application from you for being transphobic

[jeremyp]

There wasn't an interview.

Have you seen the application?

I didn't say her sex was relevant. I asked you about what you thought a woman was. Your answer would have meant the 2 police forces would have refused an application from you for being transphobic

Was she asked "what is a woman?". What was the exact wording of the question? What was the context in which it was asked?

[Nearly Sane]

Have you seen the application?
Was she asked "what is a woman?". What was the exact wording of the question? What was the context in which it was asked?

She wrote to them asking if she would be acceptable - there wasn't an interview. It wasn't an actual application. There was no question. She wrote that 'I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that while I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex.' 

[jeremyp]

She wrote to them asking if she would be acceptable - there wasn't an interview. It wasn't an actual application. There was no question. She wrote that 'I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that while I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex.'

Sounds like somebody with an axe to grind. Why would you put that in a job application letter?

[Nearly Sane]

Sounds like somebody with an axe to grind. Why would you put that in a job application letter?

It wasn't an application for a specific job, it was a letter asking about their hiring policies. Why is being concerned about  being able to state scientific facts 'grinding an axe'?

[jeremyp]

Why is being concerned about  being able to state scientific facts 'grinding an axe'?

I've never seen a job application or even an enquiry into applying for a job in which the potential applicant felt it necessary to warn us of their views with respect to certain scientific facts. People just don't do it.