Author Topic: Trans rights: a perspective (Read 132668 times)

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #875 on:** January 04, 2021, 11:04:11 AM »

Liked this in the comments:

"Political correctness, if taken to this extreme, really becomes a malady, or possibly a magentleman."

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #876 on:** January 05, 2021, 12:40:19 PM »

This is a long read, but it is a brilliant personal account from the Scottish poet, Jenny Lindsay, about her experiences having spoken out against threats and attempts at violence from a trans right activist.

https://www.thedarkhorsemagazine.com/anatomy-of-a-hounding-lindsay

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #877 on:** January 13, 2021, 12:05:33 PM »

This is madness

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/questions-on-biological-sex-are-wiped-from-official-data-klskthtfc

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #878 on:** January 16, 2021, 11:48:25 AM »

Excellent from Susan Dalgety

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/trans-gender-debate-world-where-life-women-can-be-worse-simply-virtue-their-sex-biology-matters-susan-dalgety-3101863

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #879 on:** January 16, 2021, 10:33:45 PM »

And a piece arguing against a women and children only baths. Madness.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/16/bodies-of-water-who-is-welcome-in-womens-spaces?__twitter_impression=true

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #880 on:** January 18, 2021, 08:08:19 AM »

And the women only baths are no more.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-theft-of-the-mciver-ladies-baths?r=9kqks&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

jeremyp · « **Reply #881 on:** January 18, 2021, 11:50:51 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 18, 2021, 08:08:19 AM

And the women only baths are no more.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-theft-of-the-mciver-ladies-baths?r=9kqks&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

I thought they'd shut for a minute, but they are not no more, they are just accepting trans women.They are no longer women only but cis men exclusive.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #882 on:** January 18, 2021, 12:08:40 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 18, 2021, 11:50:51 AM

I thought they'd shut for a minute, but they are not no more, they are just accepting trans women.They are no longer women only but cis men exclusive.

Cis is a nonsense term in this context

jeremyp · « **Reply #883 on:** January 18, 2021, 12:29:14 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 18, 2021, 12:08:40 PM

Cis is a nonsense term in this context

No it isn't. It is shorter than typing "males who identify as men"

ETA: no actually, you are right because (I assume) trans men are also excluded

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #884 on:** January 18, 2021, 12:32:34 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 18, 2021, 12:29:14 PM

No it isn't. It is shorter than typing "males who identify as men"

ETA: no actually, you are right because (I assume) trans men are also excluded

What does 'identify as' mean here? What is the meaning of man or woman in the context?

jeremyp · « **Reply #885 on:** January 18, 2021, 05:15:56 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 18, 2021, 12:32:34 PM

What does 'identify as' mean here? What is the meaning of man or woman in the context?

This is the problem. It's why you have to be more explicit sometimes writing things like "cis men" to make sure everybody knows exactly what you mean.

"identify" here means how do people see themselves. If I say to you "are you a man or a woman?" and you say "man" then you identify as a man.

jeremyp · « **Reply #886 on:** January 18, 2021, 05:22:38 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 18, 2021, 04:52:21 PM

Quite right

https://athleticsweekly.com/athletics-news/legends-of-womens-cross-country-in-opposition-to-ukas-equality-plan-1039939581/

What's quite right? That dispute, by the way, has nothing to do with trans rights.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #887 on:** January 18, 2021, 05:29:22 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 18, 2021, 05:22:38 PM

What's quite right? That dispute, by the way, has nothing to do with trans rights.

Yes, you are right. I will remove

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #888 on:** January 18, 2021, 05:33:33 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 18, 2021, 05:15:56 PM

This is the problem. It's why you have to be more explicit sometimes writing things like "cis men" to make sure everybody knows exactly what you mean.

"identify" here means how do people see themselves. If I say to you "are you a man or a woman?" and you say "man" then you identify as a man.

But what does "see yourself as a man' mean? I don't see myself as a man. I am a man because it's my sex. I am not cis sinnce that confuses sex with the completely ill defined idea of gender.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #889 on:** January 19, 2021, 03:08:36 PM »

Interview with Andy Wightman who resigned from the Greens over their position on 'gender'.

https://www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,finding-the-words-interview-with-andy-wightman?fbclid=IwAR1YqTrtVK5OLRQ6RZpyT793WJE7F6AXN5JFvv2mttFhbemqr8JRqUBcDaQ

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #890 on:** January 22, 2021, 09:52:32 PM »

Janice Turner on language use in this context. (Share token so no paywall)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca340930-5cce-11eb-86f4-4fa0aa4e7fd3?shareToken=e9a2d7220691c1995161305a35390f21

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #891 on:** January 25, 2021, 12:44:52 PM »

Ffs!

https://medium.com/an-injustice/yes-its-wrong-to-tell-trans-people-you-don-t-want-to-sleep-with-them-because-of-their-genitals-cf2db2346813

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #892 on:** January 25, 2021, 01:38:29 PM »

And another FFS!

https://www.out.com/celebs/2021/1/20/how-miley-cyruss-preference-remarks-show-underlying-transphobia

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #893 on:** January 28, 2021, 08:01:57 PM »

All women shortlists with added men

https://labour.org.uk/about/how-we-work/nec-statement-women-shortlists-womens-officers-minimum-quotas-women/

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #894 on:** January 29, 2021, 07:39:07 PM »

The Feminist Library for anyone that wants

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-feminist-library-with-a-difference?r=7x99i&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #895 on:** January 30, 2021, 11:50:13 AM »

I normally avoid Spiked but this is extraordinary

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/29/the-witch-hunting-of-boyz-magazine/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

jeremyp · « **Reply #896 on:** January 30, 2021, 07:54:41 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 25, 2021, 01:38:29 PM

And another FFS!

https://www.out.com/celebs/2021/1/20/how-miley-cyruss-preference-remarks-show-underlying-transphobia

Have you read the comments? Without exception, they are all hostile to the article. If ever a writer misjudged their audience...

By the way, I agree with Miley Cyrus.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #897 on:** January 31, 2021, 10:19:38 AM »

The trans issue and Scottish politics

https://archive.is/h1MTY

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #898 on:** January 31, 2021, 12:07:07 PM »

And another view on Sturgeon's intervention

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,taking-a-lead?fbclid=IwAR2clkyiHn127FZJVmlrVmlsTcIJ0If2XuUfC_C6gFvdXPm_4jxvYDcEQd8

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #899 on:** February 01, 2021, 04:31:30 PM »

Sex Is Not A Spectrum

https://colinwright.substack.com/p/sex-is-not-a-spectrum?r=7oafk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

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Author Topic: Trans rights: a perspective (Read 132668 times)