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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1025 on: June 03, 2021, 11:56:36 AM »
Allison Bailey, the barrister and co-founder of LGB Alliance, has apparently had her hearing date pushed back in her case against Stonewall and her Chambers due to delays on the part of Stonewall and her chambers in handing over all the information required by her under disclosure. Stonewall tried to have her case thrown out and failed so that's a positive.

Allison is suing for discrimination based on her claim that they tried to silence her opposition to Stonewall's view that trans women should be legally recognised as women.
https://allisonbailey.co.uk/

Bailey claims that after she helped launch LGB Alliance, Stonewall threatened to withdraw Garden Court Chambers’ membership of the Stonewall Diversity Champions scheme, unless her employer took action against her. She states that as a result of this pressure, she suffered numerous detriments, including lost work opportunities.

The Equalities Act 2010 seems to protect people from discrimination on the grounds of gender reassignment. But Schedule 3 Para 28 of Equalities Act 2010 allows discrimination against people who are proposing to or have undergone gender re-assignment i.e. including those with a Gender Recognition Certificate, if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim e.g. in relation to matters such as provision of single-sex services.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/paragraph/28

If a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate and a new birth certificate stating their new legal sex, they would be legally recognised as having a sex that is contrary to their biology. Presumably when it comes to medical treatments that differ based on biological sex the trans person would make sure their doctors knew their actual biological sex regardless of what their post GRC birth certificate said.
 
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1026 on: June 04, 2021, 09:58:32 AM »

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1029 on: June 05, 2021, 12:33:37 PM »
Mandy Rhodes being a bit good

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,taking-pride

Wow, how untrustworthy do you have to be to lose a trust poll to a Tory cabinet minister by two to one?

Here's the tweet

https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1399708211838607362
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« Reply #1031 on: June 06, 2021, 12:26:26 PM »
And good article from Alex Massie even if he gets Marion Millar's name wrong


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« Reply #1032 on: June 06, 2021, 05:53:13 PM »
And more on the brave woman that is Marion Millar


https://lilymaynard.com/the-curious-case-of-marion-millar/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1033 on: June 07, 2021, 08:44:13 AM »
How many trans activists does it take to change a light bulb?

None. They are still using gaslighting.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1034 on: June 07, 2021, 01:16:54 PM »

Libby Purves on Stonewall - note it has a share token so you should get past the paywall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6032a216-c705-11eb-b6f5-fed739e7c1ca?shareToken=8634b1be9ac193316e5322b060355c9d

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1035 on: June 07, 2021, 02:11:35 PM »
Libby Purves on Stonewall - note it has a share token so you should get past the paywall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6032a216-c705-11eb-b6f5-fed739e7c1ca?shareToken=8634b1be9ac193316e5322b060355c9d

Very good. I think banning the word "mother" is likely to do much damage to the trans-activist cause because it's such obvious lunacy.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1036 on: June 08, 2021, 08:53:33 AM »
Did anyone hear the discussion on the Radio 4 Today programme, just before 8.00am?

Someone named Benjamin Cohen, who categorised himself as gay, disabled and Jewish (and therefore uniquely qualified to pontificate on discrimination) was there to support the Stonewall position. His contribution can be summarised as "Do not confuse me with rational argument, my mind is locked shut."
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1040 on: June 09, 2021, 10:24:27 PM »

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« Reply #1041 on: June 10, 2021, 09:07:53 AM »
'Summarising the book’s central premise, the Oxfam document says white feminists need to ask themselves whether they are causing harm when they fight sexual violence.

It then links to Prof Phipps’s Twitter account and a thread which summarises the main themes of the book, including: “White feminist tears deploy white woundedness, and the sympathy it generates, to hide the harms we perpetuate through white supremacy.”'


Just ffs!




https://archive.ph/itpqA#selection-1205.0-1205.145

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1042 on: June 10, 2021, 09:17:06 AM »
'Summarising the book’s central premise, the Oxfam document says white feminists need to ask themselves whether they are causing harm when they fight sexual violence.

It then links to Prof Phipps’s Twitter account and a thread which summarises the main themes of the book, including: “White feminist tears deploy white woundedness, and the sympathy it generates, to hide the harms we perpetuate through white supremacy.”'


Just ffs!




https://archive.ph/itpqA#selection-1205.0-1205.145

Just what the heck is going on with these people. I don't know anybody in the real world I inhabit that comes close to (as in "not in this fucking universe") expressing ideas like this.

Were they high when they compiled it?

Have they been infiltrated by the extreme right to actually destabilise gains made by feminists and gay people over the years?

It is totally impossible to follow the complete nonsense stream of illogicality and hatred that is being propogated by supposedly intelligent, caring organisations.

 
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1043 on: June 10, 2021, 10:53:32 AM »
'Summarising the book’s central premise, the Oxfam document says white feminists need to ask themselves whether they are causing harm when they fight sexual violence.

It then links to Prof Phipps’s Twitter account and a thread which summarises the main themes of the book, including: “White feminist tears deploy white woundedness, and the sympathy it generates, to hide the harms we perpetuate through white supremacy.”'


Just ffs!




https://archive.ph/itpqA#selection-1205.0-1205.145

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the charity was warned on Wednesday night that the document, compiled by its LGBT network and seen by The Telegraph, could breach equality laws as it suggests reporting rape is "contemptible".

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to read this document. I find some of the things that the article says it says are just too much of a stretch to believe. Who would actually write that reporting rape is contemptible. It's bonkers.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1044 on: June 10, 2021, 11:36:22 AM »

Great news on the Maya Forstater case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57426579

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« Reply #1045 on: June 10, 2021, 11:40:17 AM »
And Maya's statement

https://youtu.be/jOIKlg71LJc

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1046 on: June 12, 2021, 11:27:04 AM »
Good to see the Lib Dems getting sued on this.


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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1047 on: June 16, 2021, 10:48:52 AM »
Good article on keeping women's sport though I should point out it was written before Fraser-Pryce running 10.63 for the 100m recently - not that that affects the argument


https://fondofbeetles.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/harder-better-faster-stronger-why-we-must-protect-female-sports/
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1049 on: June 16, 2021, 05:22:07 PM »
Idiocy

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/university-head-says-free-speech-does-not-override-transgender-safety-20210615-p58171.html

On its face you'd say it's completely reasonable. We are not free to use speech to incite harm. However, I suspect that the definition of "harm" is what gets us in trouble.
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