Author Topic: Trans rights: a perspective (Read 132338 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1050 on:** June 16, 2021, 06:08:01 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 16, 2021, 05:22:07 PM

On its face you'd say it's completely reasonable. We are not free to use speech to incite harm. However, I suspect that the definition of "harm" is what gets us in trouble.

And that it's not about inciting harm, rather the words and arguments themselves are harmful.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1051 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:57:20 PM »

Men can be in a menopause group because they accessorise

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/cruelty-hate-trans-debate-moderate-voices-heard-b940913.html

jeremyp · « **Reply #1052 on:** June 17, 2021, 07:52:11 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 16, 2021, 10:57:20 PM

Men can be in a menopause group because they accessorise

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/cruelty-hate-trans-debate-moderate-voices-heard-b940913.html

No, because they are world class at accessorising. Talk about stereotyping.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1053 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:52:29 AM »

Quite incredible that this needs to be written

https://sex-matters.org/posts/the-workplace/the-royal-academy-and-belief-discrimination/

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1054 on:** June 17, 2021, 09:34:07 PM »

Reply to Hazarika's fatuous article

https://thecritic.co.uk/cowardice-calls-to-cowardice/

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #1055 on:** June 19, 2021, 11:17:45 AM »

It's Pride month apparently.

This article is about Marsha P Johnson who was one of those involved in the Stonewall Riots.

https://reason.com/2020/06/30/marsha-p-johnson-didnt-start-stonewall-pride-might-not-have-been-trans/

It has been claimed by the Trans lobby that Marsha was Trans. As this article makes clear we may never know but Marsha did at various times identify as gay and as a transvestite. Not quite the same thing.

That the BBC now insists on repeating the less than clear claims that Johnson was transsexual as fact I find disturbing and annoying:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zmchkmn?xtor=CS8-1000-

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1056 on:** June 19, 2021, 11:20:56 AM »

And more on how the trans ideology is homophobic

https://sex-matters.org/posts/a-view-from/beyond-the-rainbow-a-view-from-inside-the-civil-service/

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1057 on:** June 19, 2021, 11:49:35 AM »

And Janice Turner on Jess De Wahls

https://archive.is/Jjjld

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1058 on:** June 19, 2021, 01:07:49 PM »

Brutal from Kevin McKenna

https://archive.is/X9p5e

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #1059 on:** June 20, 2021, 02:00:00 PM »

If you want to read something really weird from a completely self obsessed person?

Read this:

https://www.health.com/mind-body/lgbtq-health/menstruating-as-non-binary-person?

I say person, because I have no clue, even after having read about it quite a bit, what non-binary means.

My advice to her: You want to know whether you are a man or a woman?

Don't gaze at your navel, look a bit further down for clues.

And remember:

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For me, self-love during my period means using unequivocal language. I call my period by its name. I call out blood when I see it.

I wonder what name that is Brenda? Bert?

Sarcasm alert * Really with all this going on for so many women I'm amazed they manage to get to work.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1060 on:** June 21, 2021, 10:36:36 AM »

Laurel Hubbard picked for the Olympics

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

And a previous reaction

https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/45741

jeremyp · « **Reply #1061 on:** June 21, 2021, 10:56:13 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 21, 2021, 10:36:36 AM

Laurel Hubbard picked for the Olympics

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

And a previous reaction

https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/45741

I think, overall, this is a good thing. I'm sorry for the women who Laurel Hubbard beats and has beaten (there's a woman in New Zealand who presumably has lost her chance to compete in the Olympics, at the very least, as well as Feagaiga Stowers). But I think the only way to demonstrate that this idea of allowing trans women to compete with women in physical sports is to show it actually happening and the consequences. While it's still just an abstract possibility, nothing will change.

Hopefully, once this piece of injustice to women has been exposed, it will at least allow other areas to be questioned without serious consequences for the questioners.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1062 on:** June 21, 2021, 07:18:14 PM »

Interview with Jess De Wahls

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/21/i-wont-let-these-arseholes-make-my-life-miserable/amp/

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1063 on:** June 22, 2021, 04:29:36 PM »

Matthew D'Ancona on Jess De Wahls

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/royal-academy-protect-free-speech-transgender-row-b941940.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1624360923-1

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1064 on:** June 22, 2021, 06:18:15 PM »

And good from Tanya Aldred in the Guardian on Laurel Hubbard

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/jun/22/by-conflating-gender-and-sex-we-undermine-sporting-competition

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1065 on:** June 22, 2021, 06:25:24 PM »

And petition about the IOC's transgender policy

http://chng.it/HXJFDCC2TV

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1066 on:** June 22, 2021, 08:28:43 PM »

And Ross Tucker on Hubbard and more

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9b297206-d2bc-11eb-b50d-ece47261907f?shareToken=9b034bb7bdd55c9a6cfecf715fb83462

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1067 on:** June 23, 2021, 10:47:06 AM »

The Royal Academy have apologised to Jess De Wahls

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1068 on:** June 23, 2021, 12:00:54 PM »

Moral maze is discussing trans inclusion in women's sport. They've invited 4 guests to speak: Dafydd Mills Daniel, Joanna Harper, Debbie Hayton & Adam Wagner. That's 4 people born male; 2 transwomen and 2 men. Not a single female person on the panel.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #1069 on:** June 24, 2021, 01:01:56 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 23, 2021, 12:00:54 PM

Moral maze is discussing trans inclusion in women's sport. They've invited 4 guests to speak: Dafydd Mills Daniel, Joanna Harper, Debbie Hayton & Adam Wagner. That's 4 people born male; 2 transwomen and 2 men. Not a single female person on the panel.

That's plain daft. Although I'm sure Debbie will be very good.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1070 on:** June 26, 2021, 12:30:54 PM »

A 'misgendering crisis' JfC!

https://www.unilad.co.uk/featured/concerns-were-heading-for-misgendering-crisis-as-61-of-brits-never-ask-about-pronouns/

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #1071 on:** June 26, 2021, 01:25:22 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 26, 2021, 12:30:54 PM

A 'misgendering crisis' JfC!

https://www.unilad.co.uk/featured/concerns-were-heading-for-misgendering-crisis-as-61-of-brits-never-ask-about-pronouns/

More gibberish.

I'm quite happy to refer to people as the sex they present themselves to me as.

So if you're a boke in a skirt I'm quite happy to refer to you as her/she.

I'll be damned if I'm going to start creating a crowd out of one person.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1072 on:** June 26, 2021, 01:35:34 PM »

Quote from: Trentvoyager on June 26, 2021, 01:25:22 PM

More gibberish.

I'm quite happy to refer to people as the sex they present themselves to me as.

So if you're a boke in a skirt I'm quite happy to refer to you as her/she.

I'll be damned if I'm going to start creating a crowd out of one person.

The problem with that is we are back at regressive stereotypes. Clothes do not maketh the man or woman.

And also

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #1073 on:** June 26, 2021, 02:02:25 PM »

Tried the test. Took much longer on the second half as the first, obviously.

I will try the converting of pronouns back to their original state, although I think my mind does that anyway on the few occasions when I interact with transsexuals. I will also try it with articles I come across.

A thought provoking article. Thanks.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1074 on:** June 26, 2021, 04:06:17 PM »

Chilling madness

https://t.co/dTZwqbPoFc?amp=1

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Author Topic: Trans rights: a perspective (Read 132338 times)