Trans rights: a perspective

[Nearly Sane]

NS, I appreciate you may not know this, or because of the case being on-going you cannot comment, but in some reports she is accused of both homophobic & transphobic tweets. I've looked at her Twitter feed and can see no evidence of either (they may have been removed?) Do you know what the nature of these supposed tweets are?

I know what the original tweet was. Things have changed though and there were new charges added yesterday which I wouldn't want to comment on - though they are just as spurious. I'll send you details of the original tweet elsewhere, as it involves a photo.

[Nearly Sane]

Interview with Graham Linehan on his involvement in the fight to keep women's sex based rights and spaces. It chimes with my experience down to the drinking on Great Western Road and being a big lump of a man.


https://archive.is/mQXVk

[Aruntraveller]

Hilary Mantel interview (although this could easily sit on the Brexit thread):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/04/hilary-mantel-i-am-ashamed-to-live-in-nation-that-elected-this-government?

[Aruntraveller]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/04/gender-identity-clinic-whistleblower-wins-damages?

Good news, I think.

[Robbie]

Very good & not before time. Thank goodness for a voice of reason! Doesn't it make you shudder to think of a ten year given puberty blockers.

[Nearly Sane]

Not a great fan of voter ID but drivel like this could persuade me

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/voter-id-transgender-concerns/

[Nearly Sane]

Powerful article on the idiocy of Judith Butler vs the real world of women's oppression

https://thefeministani.wordpress.com/2021/09/09/judith-butler-and-afghan-women/

[Nearly Sane]

Ed Davey on the Today programme stating that he supports getting rid of women's sex based spaces, making the Lib Dems yet another misogynist party

[Nearly Sane]

More of the deep homophobia in the main strand of the TRA ideology


https://emjaymurphee.medium.com/why-gay-men-wont-date-trans-men-a6daf1bbd51a

[Nearly Sane]

Excellent from Mandy Rhodes


https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,editors-column-time-to-speak-up

[SusanDoris]

I do not follow political threads, but hope it's okay just to ask this question here. Listening to Stephen Nolan last night, I heard him ask a Lib Dem person what is wrong with a T-shirt on which was printed: female, human, and two other words which I forget. This was because a female member of the Lib Dems had been banned from doing anything for the party for ten years because of the T-shirt. The interviewee was completely unable to respond to Stephen Nolan's question about what was wrong with the words on the T-shirt.
I would be interested to hear views on this, so will follow here for a while.

Thank you.

[Aruntraveller]

Hi Susan,

I think this is an article about the woman who has been banned for stating facts:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9679039/Mother-sues-Lib-Dems-banned-standing-MP-labelled-transphobic.html

Her actual phrase on the T-shirt was:  'Woman: Adult, Human, Female'. Fact.

She also stated that "trans women are not women'. Also an indisputable fact.

[SusanDoris]

Hi Susan,

I think this is an article about the woman who has been banned for stating facts:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9679039/Mother-sues-Lib-Dems-banned-standing-MP-labelled-transphobic.html

Her actual phrase on the T-shirt was:  'Woman: Adult, Human, Female'. Fact.

She also stated that "trans women are not women'. Also an indisputable fact.

thank you for your reply and the link. I'll read the article later - I'm afraid going to Tesco has to come first!

[Aruntraveller]

thank you for your reply and the link. I'll read the article later - I'm afraid going to Tesco has to come first!

Always get your priorities in order!

[SusanDoris]

Always get your priorities in order!

I have now read most of the article. I would happily wear a shirt with the four words on it and I think, in view of Ms Keog's point of view, I'd add the words 'with vagina' after 'woman'!

[Nearly Sane]

And more on Ed Davey wanting to get rid of women's sex based spaces.


https://democracycoma.wordpress.com/2021/09/19/ed-daveys-inability-to-even-say-the-word-woman/

[jeremyp]

And more on Ed Davey wanting to get rid of women's sex based spaces.


https://democracycoma.wordpress.com/2021/09/19/ed-daveys-inability-to-even-say-the-word-woman/

So he claims the real problem is the toxification of the debate. Perhaps he ought to try to understand that throwing people out who express a view not congruent with his own is exactly what toxifying the debate means.

[Nearly Sane]

So he claims the real problem is the toxification of the debate. Perhaps he ought to try to understand that throwing people out who express a view not congruent with his own is exactly what toxifying the debate means.

And that it is somehow caused by Boris Johnson therefore being incorrect and patronising about women who have been arguing for their rights for much longer, and should not be portrayed as dupes of Johnson.


Meanwhile, of course, Rosie Duffield is too worried to go to the Labour Party Conference and Keir Starmer is another leader too gutless to stand up for women's rights.

[Nearly Sane]

Good from Iain Macwhirter

https://archive.is/hdqhp

[Aruntraveller]

Good from Iain Macwhirter

https://archive.is/hdqhp

Excellent article. Which prompts a question, why, given that the statement is clearly true ("A woman is an adult human female") doesn't Keir Starmer just say it, cut through the confusion being generated and do himself some good in the process by appearing to be rational and sensible. Admittedly something that seems to be in short supply on this subject, at least with politicians.

[Nearly Sane]

Excellent article. Which prompts a question, why, given that the statement is clearly true ("A woman is an adult human female") doesn't Keir Starmer just say it, cut through the confusion being generated and do himself some good in the process by appearing to be rational and sensible. Admittedly something that seems to be in short supply on this subject, at least with politicians.

Well, well, well, some sense

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-trans-women-labour-b1924832.html

[Nearly Sane]

Well, well, well, some sense

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-trans-women-labour-b1924832.html

Though Labour source explaining this means that trans identifying men are in some sense of the sex women.

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://archive.is/kCa7Q

[Nearly Sane]

Andrew Marr: Is it transphobic to say "Only women have a cervix?"
Keir Starmer: It is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right.

[Bramble]

Would that be a cervical smear?