Trans rights: a perspective

[Udayana]

There is no such thing as gender identity in the Equality Act so information gathering is irrelevant.
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True enough ... it covers "gender reassignment" and has no concept of "gender identity", but many (eg. The EHRC) regard/take gender identity as a protected characteristic of transsexuals.
 

[Nearly Sane]

True enough ... it covers "gender reassignment" and has no concept of "gender identity", but many (eg. The EHRC) regard/take gender identity as a protected characteristic of transsexuals.
 

The EHRC's latest guidance, that I've seen, doesn't do that. And using the term 'transexuals' here adds a further non legally defined term and not one that ties in specifically to gender identity.

[Udayana]

The EHRC's latest guidance, that I've seen, doesn't do that. And using the term 'transexuals' here adds a further non legally defined term and not one that ties in specifically to gender identity.

This is what I was (mis)reading:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination

[Nearly Sane]

Coruscating by Victoria Smith. Too many on the left are either too stupid, too scared, or too misogynist to deal with the issue. It's a pity that the leader of the Labour Party is one.


https://thecritic.co.uk/publishing-needs-jk-rowling-to-be-a-monster/

[Nearly Sane]

Laughable

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/62900507

[jeremyp]

Laughable

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/62900507

Laughable in what way? If you are not competing to win, why does your gender matter at all?

[Nearly Sane]

Laughable in what way? If you are not competing to win, why does your gender matter at all?

Because non binary is laughable and it achieves fuck all.

[jeremyp]

Because non binary is laughable and it achieves fuck all.

Well it's achieved winding you up. Why do you care if people identify as non binary or not?

[Nearly Sane]

Well it's achieved winding you up. Why do you care if people identify as non binary or not?

People can identify how they want. Treating that as somehow objectively meaningful is odd. Why do you want to reify subjective assessments?

[jeremyp]

People can identify how they want.

But why is it laughable?

Treating that as somehow objectively meaningful is odd. Why do you want to reify subjective assessments?

I would say that gender is totally irrelevant. It's an unnecessary question, but given they have put it there, I see no reason not to answer "non binary".

[Nearly Sane]

But why is it laughable?
I would say that gender is totally irrelevant. It's an unnecessary question, but given they have put it there, I see no reason not to answer "non binary".

It's laughable that something totally irrelevant that has no coherent definition forms a question. It's the equivalent of asking the colour of your aura.

[Udayana]

It's laughable that something totally irrelevant that has no coherent definition forms a question. It's the equivalent of asking the colour of your aura.

Usually that kind of information is kept on the runner in case it is needed in an emergency eg injury, collapse or missing say ... where a "non-binary" id could actually be harmful.
   

[jeremyp]

It's laughable that something totally irrelevant that has no coherent definition forms a question. It's the equivalent of asking the colour of your aura.

I don't think gender is quite at the same level of fantasy as aura.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think gender is quite at the same level of fantasy as aura.

What are your different 'levels of fantasy'? What levels of fantasy do you think are laughable and which are not?

[jeremyp]

What are your different 'levels of fantasy'? What levels of fantasy do you think are laughable and which are not?

I don't think any are necessarily laughable. I'm just objecting to your use of "laughable" to describe things that are merely wrong (in your opinion).

I'm a strong advocate of not asking for information on forms that you don't need but being redundant is not the same as being laughable.

Clearly we are not going to agree on this point. Are you intending to refuse to let this go and bang on about it for four pages as usual?

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think any are necessarily laughable. I'm just objecting to your use of "laughable" to describe things that are merely wrong (in your opinion).

I'm a strong advocate of not asking for information on forms that you don't need but being redundant is not the same as being laughable.

Clearly we are not going to agree on this point. Are you intending to refuse to let this go and bang on about it for four pages as usual?

It takes two to tango for 4 pages.

[jeremyp]

It takes two to tango for 4 pages.

I'm not proposing to tango with you. I just want you to understand that my failure to engage with you further on this point does not mean I concede it.

[Nearly Sane]

'Right side of history'


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1571854465312890882.html

[Nearly Sane]

Article by Malcolm Clark on the attack on Fred Sargeant at Pride


https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/20/trans-activism-is-homophobia-in-drag/

[Nearly Sane]

Quite incredible


https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1574727713679904768?t=_ChYuVVH9Hnb3uSC98JQkA&s=19

[jeremyp]

Quite incredible


https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1574727713679904768?t=_ChYuVVH9Hnb3uSC98JQkA&s=19

Somebody at Sussex Police doesn't understand Twitter. Probably shouldn't have been put in charge of the Twitter account.

[Nearly Sane]

Somebody at Sussex Police doesn't understand Twitter. Probably shouldn't have been put in charge of the Twitter account.

And they don't understand the law either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11254419/Sussex-Police-sparks-fury-defending-transgender-paedophile-gender-comments.html

[jeremyp]

And they don't understand the law either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11254419/Sussex-Police-sparks-fury-defending-transgender-paedophile-gender-comments.html

This is incredible:

Dixon will serve a minimum term of 12 years at women's prison HMP Bronzefield

Aside from that, I honestly do not understand the reasoning behind the fear of misgendering somebody whose liberty you are about to take away. We are going to lock him away for committing several horrendous crimes. Who cares if "she" is upset about being treated as a male?

[Nearly Sane]

This is incredible:

Aside from that, I honestly do not understand the reasoning behind the fear of misgendering somebody whose liberty you are about to take away. We are going to lock him away for committing several horrendous crimes. Who cares if "she" is upset about being treated as a male?

I'm reminded of this

https://youtu.be/yI6qvQtrTU8

[Nearly Sane]

Sussex Police have removed their tweet, and said they are looking into things. Not sure quite their way back but let's see...