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« Reply #1575 on: October 08, 2022, 07:18:36 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63137873

Paedophile apologist was Mermaids Trustee. This was discovered as a result of Mermaids taking LGB Alliance to court. Oops. His name, for some reason, wasn’t published on their website.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hatpinwoman/status/1578409990641139712

Hmm. I wonder what could possibly be the motivation for encouraging, championing even, the stunting of children’s mental and physical development.

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« Reply #1576 on: October 08, 2022, 09:28:53 AM »
Hi everyone,

I believe some people are raising their children without any gender based identities. This is known as being 'gender-creative'. 

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-parents-raising-their-children-without-gender

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As Gabriella Martenson prepared for the birth of her first child, she came to a decision. She wouldn’t tell her child if they’d been born a girl or a boy,

“I wanted them to be who they want to be. I don't want to decide that for them,” says Martenson, who was 30 and living in her home city, Stockholm, when she had her first child. “[It’s] just as I don't want to decide what they grow up to do, or who they decide to love or live with.”

......he says “increasing numbers of parents wish to give their child the space psychologically and emotionally to fully express who they are by minimising the conscious and unconscious impact that gender bias can have on a child

Markus Tschannen, a part-time writer, who is embracing a gender-neutral parenting approach from a German-speaking area of Switzerland, says he would like to identify his children with a gender-neutral pronoun such as ‘they’, however this currently doesn’t exist in the German language.

 “Being gender-creative parents, we deliberately use names with all three grammatical genders,” he says. “This comes with the advantage that they can experience what feels best for them before deciding on a preferred pronoun,” he explains. “We basically wanted to give them more options than a society that tries to put children in a gender-based mould early on.”

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I think that all this messes around with the minds and personalities of the children.  Nature and nurture are not two different things. They work together and complement one another. There is no such things as allowing the children to 'choose' the gender that they are comfortable with. If we don't direct the mind and preferences in a specific direction....the gene expression could get messed up.

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« Reply #1577 on: October 08, 2022, 01:42:07 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63137873

Paedophile apologist was Mermaids Trustee. This was discovered as a result of Mermaids taking LGB Alliance to court. Oops. His name, for some reason, wasn’t published on their website.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hatpinwoman/status/1578409990641139712

Hmm. I wonder what could possibly be the motivation for encouraging, championing even, the stunting of children’s mental and physical development.

That BBC story leaves me with all kinds of questions.

I've taken a quick look at the front page of B4U-ACT's web site. It doesn't look like it is a paedophile apologist web site. It looks more like a support group to provide therapy for paedophiles to try to stop them from being a danger to children whilst trying to integrate them into society. After all, if you don't do this, what is the alternative? Lock them up forever? That leads me to ask what was in the paper presented by Doctor Breslow. Was it paedophile apologetics or was it something to do with treating them?

I regard some of the treatments offered to children in the name of trans genderism to be pretty abusive too.  I think puberty blockers and gender transition surgery should be banned for minors.
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« Reply #1578 on: October 09, 2022, 02:30:01 PM »
That BBC story leaves me with all kinds of questions.

I've taken a quick look at the front page of B4U-ACT's web site. It doesn't look like it is a paedophile apologist web site. It looks more like a support group to provide therapy for paedophiles to try to stop them from being a danger to children whilst trying to integrate them into society. After all, if you don't do this, what is the alternative? Lock them up forever? That leads me to ask what was in the paper presented by Doctor Breslow. Was it paedophile apologetics or was it something to do with treating them?

I regard some of the treatments offered to children in the name of trans genderism to be pretty abusive too.  I think puberty blockers and gender transition surgery should be banned for minors.

Hi Jeremy,

There is a lot of very disturbing information about Breslow available on-line. The Twitter thread I linked above contains further information. The founders of so-called queer theory are a truly disgusting bunch, including M Foucault and J Money. Destigmatisation of “minor attracted people” (MAP - new and disingenuous euphemism) has been a goal for some time. Remember P.I.E.? I’m not linking to this horror show but there are plenty of on-line resources. Try Reduxx website. Feminists with an agenda, but the stories are properly sourced. Also Graham Linehan’s substack. I’m just grateful that there were people archiving and reporting on this and challenging the new religion (including Nearly Sane) when I was blissfully unaware of the implications for women and children. No more excuses.

The grotesque sham of so-called sex reassignment surgery is being pushed by drug companies and doctors who stand to make a fortune from creating life-long patients. I feel for the few people with genuine body dysphoria but surgery should be a last resort, whether your psychological distress is caused by your left leg or your genitals. I’ve seen things over the last few months that I cannot unfortunately unsee: if you showed the average teenager the actual results of this butchery most of them would run a mile, I’m sure, but that’s not how you gain new cult recruits.

Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3qA2A_z3w

An informative and upsetting discussion between a regretful (adult) detransitioner and Blaire White, a trans-identifying man. Humans can’t change sex and selling such a destructive lie to children should be a criminal offence.

People I talk to about this in real life look at me like I’m mad. Surely I must be exaggerating. Then they research for themselves and what happens? Instant TERF. Now ‘no debate’ seems to be over, I’m hopeful this insane ideology can eventually be rooted out of our media and public institutions. It’s going to be a long haul.

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« Reply #1579 on: October 09, 2022, 06:29:33 PM »
Mandy Rhodes covering the GRA 'reform' in Scotland, and the demo I was on this week.


https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,its-time-we-stopped-allowing-lobby-groups-to-drive-the-debate-on-gender

And here's coverage of the speeches

https://youtu.be/liuWfxfmPDg


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« Reply #1580 on: October 15, 2022, 07:09:31 PM »

JK Rowling on the upcoming debate in Holyrood.

https://archive.ph/QQlsq

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« Reply #1581 on: October 19, 2022, 01:08:21 PM »
Today is apparently International Pronouns Day. A reminder to all that my pronouns are perpendicular and royal. How the rest of you might refer to me is of no interest to me.

It's also World Menopause Day and the Scottish Govt was offering advice that it can affect people between 45 and 55. I am quite worried that I noticed nothing. Their prostate cancer advice though, something I have a bit of a personal interest in, refers to men. Hmm...
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« Reply #1582 on: October 19, 2022, 02:24:32 PM »
Today is apparently International Pronouns Day. A reminder to all that my pronouns are perpendicular and royal. How the rest of you might refer to me is of no interest to me.

It's also World Menopause Day and the Scottish Govt was offering advice that it can affect people between 45 and 55. I am quite worried that I noticed nothing. Their prostate cancer advice though, something I have a bit of a personal interest in, refers to men. Hmm...

That's understandable. There seems to be a massive debate about what the definition of "woman" is, but the definition of "man" excites no controversy.
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« Reply #1583 on: October 19, 2022, 02:27:53 PM »
That's understandable. There seems to be a massive debate about what the definition of "woman" is, but the definition of "man" excites no controversy.
If by 'understandable', you mean a dangerous and inconsistent approach, I agree.

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« Reply #1584 on: October 19, 2022, 02:36:54 PM »
If by 'understandable', you mean a dangerous and inconsistent approach, I agree.
I mean that this whole redefining "woman" thing is another example of sexism against women and it's not at all surprising when looked at in those terms.

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« Reply #1585 on: October 19, 2022, 02:44:07 PM »

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« Reply #1586 on: October 26, 2022, 01:46:38 PM »
Cambridge University going collectively mad


https://archive.ph/hbaoS

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« Reply #1587 on: October 27, 2022, 11:50:04 PM »
The SNP having internal issues on this. Good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63416857

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« Reply #1588 on: October 28, 2022, 10:16:29 AM »
Coverage of the Cambridge event with Helen Joyce  from Arif Ahmed, the professor who organised it.

https://archive.ph/j0nWN
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« Reply #1589 on: October 29, 2022, 05:37:56 PM »

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« Reply #1590 on: November 08, 2022, 07:58:58 AM »
'An Existential Threat to Doing Good Science' - from gender and other 'unicorns'.

https://www.commonsense.news/p/an-existential-threat-to-doing-good


I should note that Richard Dwakins posted the above link on Twitter saying 'To the extent that this is true (and I fear most if not all of it is), it is utterly horrifying.'

To which someone whose profile says ' IT Management, amateur guitarist and photographer' replied:
'Change is hard isn't it Richard. Having to negotiate new challenges, new ways to communicate.

My branch of science (computing) has change as a constant. Perhaps if biologists talked to computing professionals they'd get an understanding of how to navigate change.'


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« Reply #1591 on: November 08, 2022, 10:48:26 AM »
'An Existential Threat to Doing Good Science' - from gender and other 'unicorns'.

https://www.commonsense.news/p/an-existential-threat-to-doing-good


I should note that Richard Dwakins posted the above link on Twitter saying 'To the extent that this is true (and I fear most if not all of it is), it is utterly horrifying.'

To which someone whose profile says ' IT Management, amateur guitarist and photographer' replied:
'Change is hard isn't it Richard. Having to negotiate new challenges, new ways to communicate.

My branch of science (computing) has change as a constant. Perhaps if biologists talked to computing professionals they'd get an understanding of how to navigate change.'

Speaking as a computing professional, I have to say it is not a science. Nor is change a constant. It's surprising how much "new stuff" is actually rehashed old stuff.
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« Reply #1592 on: November 10, 2022, 12:25:03 PM »
Quick guess at the sex that did well in the non binary category at the New York marathon?


https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/11/gender-identity-has-no-place-in-sport/
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« Reply #1593 on: November 10, 2022, 01:55:27 PM »
Quick guess at the sex that did well in the non binary category at the New York marathon?


https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/11/gender-identity-has-no-place-in-sport/

I don't know but I'd guess bollocks were involved.

In more than one way.
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« Reply #1594 on: November 12, 2022, 07:45:26 PM »

David Tennant couldn't regenerate in Jodie Whittaker's clothes because it would have been  mockery of men dressing in 'women's clothes' but the men doing that are fine and it isn't a mockery of women, apparently. Russell T Davies rolling out his misogyny. 


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/doctor-who-david-tennant-russell-t-davies-b2222202.html

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« Reply #1595 on: November 14, 2022, 03:06:18 PM »

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« Reply #1596 on: November 14, 2022, 03:36:20 PM »
The Royal Osteoporosis Society celebrating medication to cause osteoporosis.


https://twitter.com/RoyalOsteoSoc/status/1592139558103224320?t=ELXiXJ4coaGoDlJTWqmohA&s=19

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« Reply #1597 on: November 23, 2022, 12:34:58 PM »
A couple of threads arising from the committee of the Scottish Parliament on Gender Recognition Act reform. I have to admit to a specific bias here in that the woman who interrupted the commitee is a friend.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1595105976688037888.html?s=04


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1595217048132620290.html



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« Reply #1598 on: November 23, 2022, 08:00:31 PM »
The woman who was kicked out for wearing suffragette colours: what was the reason given for doing that? I find it absolutely incredible that it happened.
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« Reply #1599 on: November 23, 2022, 08:15:40 PM »
The woman who was kicked out for wearing suffragette colours: what was the reason given for doing that? I find it absolutely incredible that it happened.
They did apoligise and say they had got it wrong. But it was because it was ''politcal'. Here''s the apology

https://youtu.be/ikaaGGgEgug