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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1625 on: January 09, 2023, 05:25:26 PM »
How many trans gender people are there in England and Wales?

Well, the census results are in:

https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1611295339746660352

Quote from: ONS
asked “Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?” for the first time.


Among those who answered “No”:

▪️ 118,000 (0.24%) didn't write in a response
▪️ 48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man
▪️ 48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman
▪️ 30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary
▪️ 18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1627 on: January 11, 2023, 06:33:21 PM »
So what do you do if you don't like a viewpoint. Discuss it? No. Shut it down.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-backlash-anti-trans-talk-1.6708251
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1628 on: January 11, 2023, 07:51:18 PM »

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« Reply #1629 on: January 12, 2023, 01:13:02 PM »

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« Reply #1631 on: January 16, 2023, 05:51:55 PM »
Ooh err - leaving aside opinions on the GRRB - this is fascinating.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64288757

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1633 on: January 17, 2023, 04:49:34 PM »
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #1635 on: January 18, 2023, 03:53:15 PM »
Good, the Science Museum putting up stuff like this on trans is about as worthwhile as an exhibit on how great believing in souls is.

https://archive.ph/2023.01.17-190314/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/17/science-museum-trans-display-remove-propaganda-complaints/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1636 on: January 21, 2023, 10:30:57 AM »
Nonsensical and unscientific compromise from World Athletics. Testosterone is not the sole issue. Drugged are not women.


https://archive.vn/XIzFr
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1637 on: January 21, 2023, 05:21:46 PM »
I am happy to accept that Kirsten Oswald and Kaukab Stewart weren't aware of the banner behind them BUT they chose to be at a protest where this was held up and wasn't the only such sign. So I have an SNP MP and MSP at a rally where there are signs calling for my wife to be murdered. That's at very least not due diligence.

This follows various MPs from Labour, SNP, and Lib Dems attending a rally in London this week where those on the platform shared it with Sarah Jane Baker, a man who says he's a woman who spent 30 years in prison for kidnapping and torturing someone, and then attempting to kill a fellow prisoner. Last year they attended a rally with a sign calling for JK Rowling to be killed. Having had this pointed out, there have been lots of claims of ignorance but if you are sharing a platform not knowing that then it shows you as stupid and incompetent.

One of those who shared a platform was Lliyd Russell Moyle MP, fresh from a hate filled speech targetting Miriam Cates MP, which he followed by crossing the floor to sit on benches on the Tory side to stare at Cates. Moyle is an MP who had to resign previously for accusing Rowling of weaponising her domestic abuse.

Earlier today Rowling retweeted a tweet that was hoping that the Standing For Women protest being held on 5th Feb which both my wife and I will be would have a car driven to into it. He followed this with a call for Rowling to be shot.

That's just a short runthrough of a very few of the threats over the last few days.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1640 on: January 21, 2023, 09:49:08 PM »
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes, and drinks, and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

In other news Sturgeon thinks that 16-year-olds can make decisions:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64359950

She doesn't know many, does she?

I mean I'm sure they can make decisions, whether you would trust the decisions they make depends very much on the 16 year old you are dealing with.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1641 on: January 21, 2023, 10:06:42 PM »
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes, and drinks, and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

In other news Sturgeon thinks that 16-year-olds can make decisions:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64359950

She doesn't know many, does she?

I mean I'm sure they can make decisions, whether you would trust the decisions they make depends very much on the 16 year old you are dealing with.
There are obvious questions to be asked about what age things should be allowed but you can't get a tattoo till 18 but there have been under 18s in the UK who have had double mastectomies because of 'gender' issues.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1642 on: January 23, 2023, 10:00:53 AM »
Amelia Strickler, British Women's shot putt champion speaking out against the incoherent guddle of World Athletics' position on women's sport



https://archive.vn/QUXMZ
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1644 on: January 23, 2023, 01:34:44 PM »
Joan Smith on the misogyny of transactivism which so many politicians seem blind to even when they share a platform with those espousing it 

https://unherd.com/thepost/politicians-are-mysteriously-blind-to-trans-activists-misogyny/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1645 on: January 23, 2023, 01:50:58 PM »
And long post from WoS on the same issue


https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-grooming-of-holyrood/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1646 on: January 23, 2023, 06:50:45 PM »
Madness

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1647 on: January 24, 2023, 11:30:15 AM »
Madness

It's not clear to me what that means. Is it saying that people who identify as trans or non binary can post pictures of the bare breasts of any woman. Is it saying that anybody can post pictures of the bare breasts of trans women? Or is it saying that trans non / binary people can post pictures of their own breasts or those of other trans/non binary people? what about the breasts and nipples of trans men?

If it's saying "you can post pictures of trans women's breasts", it's really saying "there's no problem because their breasts aren't real".

Personally, I think the whole thing about female breasts causing the collapse of society is a bit crazy. I say this as somebody who had a Facebook post removed because it had the album cover of Electric Ladyland in it.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1648 on: January 24, 2023, 11:34:13 AM »
It's not clear to me what that means. Is it saying that people who identify as trans or non binary can post pictures of the bare breasts of any woman. Is it saying that anybody can post pictures of the bare breasts of trans women? Or is it saying that trans non / binary people can post pictures of their own breasts or those of other trans/non binary people? what about the breasts and nipples of trans men?

If it's saying "you can post pictures of trans women's breasts", it's really saying "there's no problem because their breasts aren't real".

Personally, I think the whole thing about female breasts causing the collapse of society is a bit crazy. I say this as somebody who had a Facebook post removed because it had the album cover of Electric Ladyland in it.
I doubt anyone knows what it means.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1649 on: January 24, 2023, 11:38:55 AM »
I doubt anyone knows what it means.

Presumably somebody at Meta knows what it means.

I think I covered all the possible interpretations and all of them are bonkers in one way or another.
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