Trans rights: a perspective

[Nearly Sane]

Joanna Cherry's legal letter to the Strand about her cancellation, which by their silence many on here seem happy with.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Yes, interesting potential legal case for Scotland at least about the right to express an offensive opinion, which should IMO extend to debates about issues that could be deemed by some as Islamophobia /homophobia /anti-Semitism -  are there examples of groups being cancelled for expressing such views, where they have not incited violence against a group?

In his opinion, Mr O’Neill said the Stand’s attempt to spare its staff discomfort was not a defence in law for discriminating against Ms Cherry because of her legally protected beliefs.

He said the law did not guarantee ”any right not to be confronted” with challenging opinions.

On the contrary, freedom of expression applied not only to favourable or inoffensive ideas, but also those “that shock, offend or disturb the State or any sector of the population”. 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23508228.joanna-cherry-starts-legal-action-cancelled-fringe-show-stand/

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, interesting potential legal case for Scotland at least about the right to express an offensive opinion, which should IMO extend to debates about issues that could be deemed by some as Islamophobia /homophobia /anti-Semitism -  are there examples of groups being cancelled for expressing such views, where they have not incited violence against a group?

In his opinion, Mr O’Neill said the Stand’s attempt to spare its staff discomfort was not a defence in law for discriminating against Ms Cherry because of her legally protected beliefs.

He said the law did not guarantee ”any right not to be confronted” with challenging opinions.

On the contrary, freedom of expression applied not only to favourable or inoffensive ideas, but also those “that shock, offend or disturb the State or any sector of the population”. 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23508228.joanna-cherry-starts-legal-action-cancelled-fringe-show-stand/

And so many on here stay silent

[Udayana]

Obviously (to me) Cherry is right and the cancelation of her talk (don't really understand why it is part of a comedy festival) is wrong and illegal. But, pursuing her rights appears to be a legal matter.

I suppose one could protest outside the club or with letters or on social media - but it's not clear if that would achieve much - especially given that there are so many other issues where protests, public discussion and democratic processes seem to be failing.

[Nearly Sane]

Obviously (to me) Cherry is right and the cancelation of her talk (don't really understand why it is part of a comedy festival) is wrong and illegal. But, pursuing her rights appears to be a legal matter.

I suppose one could protest outside the club or with letters or on social media - but it's not clear if that would achieve much - especially given that there are so many other issues where protests, public discussion and democratic processes seem to be failing.

It's not just on the specific matter of Cherry and The Stand.

But anyway here's Shauny Boy

https://youtu.be/2r5sgzIlRl8

[Nearly Sane]

So much this!.

https://archive.vn/RlmV1

[Nearly Sane]

How Stonewall was bought, and betrayed the gay community


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655890490577895427.html

[Udayana]

It's not just on the specific matter of Cherry and The Stand.

But anyway here's Shauny Boy

https://youtu.be/2r5sgzIlRl8

There is that.

How Stonewall was bought, and betrayed the gay community


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655890490577895427.html

That is very interesting, but doesn't seem to fully explain the transactivist rampage that was unleashed - trans/non-binary being less than 0.5% of the UK population and, in my experience, many "trans-women" unlikely to say boo to a goose - there is something deeply misogynistic in action.
 

[Nearly Sane]

There is that.

That is very interesting, but doesn't seem to fully explain the transactivist rampage that was unleashed - trans/non-binary being less than 0.5% of the UK population and, in my experience, many "trans-women" unlikely to say boo to a goose - there is something deeply misogynistic in action.

It's not an attempt to explain that issue but rather how Stonewall became anti gay.

The move on the left to legitimise prostitution is part of the related misogyny.  To quote Andrea Dworkin:


The difference between left-wing and right-wing when it comes to women is only about where exactly on our necks their boots should be placed. To right-wing men, we are private property. To left-wing men, we are public property.

[Nearly Sane]

Coverage of Mark Drakeford's misogynism.

https://merchedcymru.wales/2023/05/11/merched-cymru-files-complaint-against-mark-drakeford-for-sexist-response-to-laura-anne-jones/

[Nearly Sane]

Hmmm...

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23516111.pink-peacock-staff-burn-harry-potter-book-glasgow-street/

[Nearly Sane]

Students sever ties with Oxford Union amid Kathleen Stock talk - ffs! Nick Griffin, and David Irving were fine though.

https://archive.is/fqOFo

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, interesting potential legal case for Scotland at least about the right to express an offensive opinion, which should IMO extend to debates about issues that could be deemed by some as Islamophobia /homophobia /anti-Semitism -  are there examples of groups being cancelled for expressing such views, where they have not incited violence against a group?

In his opinion, Mr O’Neill said the Stand’s attempt to spare its staff discomfort was not a defence in law for discriminating against Ms Cherry because of her legally protected beliefs.

He said the law did not guarantee ”any right not to be confronted” with challenging opinions.

On the contrary, freedom of expression applied not only to favourable or inoffensive ideas, but also those “that shock, offend or disturb the State or any sector of the population”. 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23508228.joanna-cherry-starts-legal-action-cancelled-fringe-show-stand/

The Stand have folded

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65575748

[Nearly Sane]

Great article from Jenny Lindsay


https://archive.is/KdknC

[SteveH]

Another unforeseen problem arising from trans rights - or is the problem with male primogeniture, or both? (Sorry it's the Spectator - I first read it on MSN, but couldn't find their version again, and couldn't find anything in a respectable website such as the Guardian or the New Statesman.)
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/should-a-trans-woman-inherit-a-peerage-over-their-older-sister/

[Nearly Sane]

Another unforeseen problem arising from trans rights - or is the problem with male primogeniture, or both? (Sorry it's the Spectator - I first read it on MSN, but couldn't find their version again, and couldn't find anything in a respectable website such as the Guardian or the New Statesman.)
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/should-a-trans-woman-inherit-a-peerage-over-their-older-sister/

Given the Guardian's treatment of Suzanne Moore, I find your belief that it is a 'respectable website' touchingly naive.

If I recall correctly, this situation was discussed at the time of the Gender Recognition Act and is not an oversight but was a deliberate maintenance of the sexism in the system, while indulging in the fantasy of gender, which is based around regressive patriarchal stereotypes. Note I had already mentioned the case in reply 1773.

[Nearly Sane]

Ben Appel on the new homophobia

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/14/the-new-homophobia/

[SteveH]

Ben Appel on the new homophobia

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/14/the-new-homophobia/

Me me me -  I gave up after about five paragraphs of self-obsessed stuff that had nothing to do with the purported topic.

[Nearly Sane]

Me me me -  I gave up after about five paragraphs of self-obsessed stuff that had nothing to do with the purported topic.

Ah yes, why would anyone provide context.

[SteveH]

Ah yes, why would anyone provide context.

Within reason, maybe - but he went on and on and on with the self-indulgent autobiography - and I think I should point out that it amounts to generalising from a single instance.

[jeremyp]

The Stand have folded

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65575748

By which you mean given in, not gone out of business.

[Nearly Sane]

Humanist Society Scotland touting religious beliefs and switching off replies

https://twitter.com/humanistsociety/status/1658715260386197505

[Nearly Sane]

Good for those that signed the letter



https://archive.vn/LGjLx

[Nearly Sane]

And a further sensible intervention

https://archive.is/hLkeG

[Nearly Sane]

Hannah Arensman speaks about leaving competitive cycling

https://archive.vn/2qgPK