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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1875 on: June 12, 2023, 08:21:14 PM »
Instead of changing the definition of Lesbian, why don't they just change the definition of "non-binary".

"Confused" or "deluded" should cover it.

Anyway, when they say "non man" - are they talking about a teapot or possibly a crocodile?

Such sloppy use of the English language is very annoying.

Or they could just use sex instead of gender.

Lesbian: female who is attracted to females.

Gay man: male who is attracted to males.

This is just an example of the labelling fallacy. Changing the meaning of the word "lesbian" won't make females who are attracted only to females suddenly want to jump into bed with trans women.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1876 on: June 12, 2023, 08:26:41 PM »
Or they could just use sex instead of gender.

Lesbian: female who is attracted to females.

Gay man: male who is attracted to males.

This is just an example of the labelling fallacy. Changing the meaning of the word "lesbian" won't make females who are attracted only to females suddenly want to jump into bed with trans women.
But it does allow them to call men who say they are women lesbians, and to say to women who say they are same sex (not gender) attracted that they are bigots.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1877 on: June 12, 2023, 08:37:15 PM »
But it does allow them to call men who say they are women lesbians, and to say to women who say they are same sex (not gender) attracted that they are bigots.
Well, they think it allows them to say that and they do seem to have hoodwinked a number of their supporters into believing it. But it hasn't fooled me and I don't suppose it's fooled many lesbians.

I also find it interesting that everybody is defined in terms of their relationship to men. i.e. people who are not men. What's the betting that a man came up with these new definitions?

 
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1878 on: June 12, 2023, 08:43:27 PM »
Well, they think it allows them to say that and they do seem to have hoodwinked a number of their supporters into believing it. But it hasn't fooled me and I don't suppose it's fooled many lesbians.

I also find it interesting that everybody is defined in terms of their relationship to men. i.e. people who are not men. What's the betting that a man came up with these new definitions?
Undoubtedly but then so much of this stream of TRA is about men encroaching on women, and using language to make it seem acceptable.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1879 on: June 12, 2023, 08:55:21 PM »
Worth noting that while it is a debate in Parliament, it's in Westminster Hall, not the HoC.

Summary of proceedings


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1668208772110483457.html

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1880 on: June 12, 2023, 09:01:17 PM »

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1881 on: June 12, 2023, 09:10:43 PM »
An idiot wearing what appears to be fabric leftover from children's pyjamas.

Can't somebody make this stop.

Not the bad taste in clothes, although that would be a start; but this incessant obfuscation of facts that are known, established and proven.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1882 on: June 12, 2023, 09:18:56 PM »
Joanna Cherry's reaction - note they are in the same party

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1883 on: June 13, 2023, 12:29:31 PM »
Good article on the legal failings of the NHS Confederation guidelines


 https://thecritic.co.uk/leading-for-some/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1885 on: June 21, 2023, 04:10:04 PM »
The BBC and the misogyny of the trans idea of 'what it feels like for a girl'


https://archive.vn/MdKBs

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1886 on: July 01, 2023, 07:29:26 PM »
Compensation awarded to Maya Forstater


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66076021

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1887 on: July 06, 2023, 12:48:01 PM »
Mermaids attempt to challenge LGB Alliance bring a registered charity fails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65340857

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1888 on: July 10, 2023, 02:16:18 PM »
« Last Edit: July 10, 2023, 02:28:12 PM by Nearly Sane »

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1889 on: July 10, 2023, 02:19:27 PM »
Think you've missed a link here?
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1890 on: July 10, 2023, 02:28:41 PM »
Think you've missed a link here?

Ah! Updated now.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1891 on: July 10, 2023, 02:31:25 PM »
https://unherd.com/thepost/calls-for-violence-in-the-trans-debate-only-come-from-one-side/

Good article on the recent call for violence at Trans Pride on Saturday. A call to violence by a man dressed as a woman against women. "Punch her in the face" is the phrase du jour apparently. A man who has a record of violence but now calls himself Sarah Jane Baker.

The Met police intend to take no action but then we wouldn't expect anything less, would we?

How I long for the days of Gay Prides gone by when the most provocative thing uttered was "2-4-6-8, is that policeman really straight?"
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1892 on: July 10, 2023, 03:46:16 PM »
https://unherd.com/thepost/calls-for-violence-in-the-trans-debate-only-come-from-one-side/

Good article on the recent call for violence at Trans Pride on Saturday. A call to violence by a man dressed as a woman against women. "Punch her in the face" is the phrase du jour apparently. A man who has a record of violence but now calls himself Sarah Jane Baker.

The Met police intend to take no action but then we wouldn't expect anything less, would we?

How I long for the days of Gay Prides gone by when the most provocative thing uttered was "2-4-6-8, is that policeman really straight?"


That's very good. The Labour Party's ignoring of Joan Smith underlines their pathetic vacillations on this.

Would appear the Met have reopened the case. Meanwhile Clive Lewis MP indulges in lazy 'bothsideism'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12282337/Who-Sarah-Jane-Baker-Trans-activist-called-TERFs-punched.html


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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1893 on: July 10, 2023, 03:49:14 PM »

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1895 on: July 24, 2023, 01:18:47 PM »
Labour policy on trans rights and gender recognition

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Just to note that Labour MSPs were whipped to vote for the bill in the Scottish Parliament - the article seems to ignore that comoletely.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1896 on: July 24, 2023, 04:11:49 PM »
Just to note that Labour MSPs were whipped to vote for the bill in the Scottish Parliament - the article seems to ignore that comoletely.

Yes it does, because this is the Labour policy for the Westminster parliament. i.e. the policy for England and Wales(?).
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1897 on: July 24, 2023, 10:13:47 PM »
Yes it does, because this is the Labour policy for the Westminster parliament. i.e. the policy for England and Wales(?).
Except it doesn't ignore what happened in the Scottish Parliament just the actions of Labour, and describes it as if the whipping did not take place.


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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #1899 on: July 25, 2023, 10:00:33 AM »
A more positive, if cautious, response to Labour's announcement:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/25/labour-gender-recognition-anneliese-dodds
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