Trans rights: a perspective

[Nearly Sane]

Helen Joyce on the question of still being heard whike 'cancelled'.


https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2023/playing-nice-hasnt-worked/

[Nearly Sane]

And support group for those cancelled

https://archive.vn/ljMpT

I find the silence about this, and the lack of overt support on this board from some who might stand up for women or gay rights somewhat concerning.

[jeremyp]

And support group for those cancelled

https://archive.vn/ljMpT

I find the silence about this, and the lack of overt support on this board from some who might stand up for women or gay rights somewhat concerning.

There isn't really anything to discuss though. You post your links without comment and we read them, or not. I think most of the people on the board have broadly similar views to you, so there's really nothing to say.

[Nearly Sane]

There isn't really anything to discuss though. You post your links without comment and we read them, or not. I think most of the people on the board have broadly similar views to you, so there's really nothing to say.

I know you do but there are others that I don't who just seem happy to stand to the side. I don't know for example, bluehillside's take. The discussions i've had with Outrider and Prof D on this are now years ago, and they were both apowaring to me to be happy with the idea that men could identify as women.

That Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, and Scot Nats have all issues with supporying women's sex based rights, and when I raise their failures on that posters who might vote for them write nothing does not fill me with confidence that they do agree.

[Aruntraveller]

That Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, and Scot Nats have all issues with supporying women's sex based rights, and when I raise their failures on that posters who might vote for them write nothing does not fill me with confidence that they do agree.

It's difficult. What can you do?

As a member of the Labour Party I did contribute views on this matter via some kind of consultation mechanism on the net (seem to have lost the link for it now) but as with a number of issues, whilst the membership that commented was largely in favour of the women's rights side of the argument, it gets sidelined much higher up in the party. Not a good look for a (supposedly) democratic party. Although I do think the recent shift in tone at the top, is partly as a result of these views having registered.

[Nearly Sane]

It's difficult. What can you do?

As a member of the Labour Party I did contribute views on this matter via some kind of consultation mechanism on the net (seem to have lost the link for it now) but as with a number of issues, whilst the membership that commented was largely in favour of the women's rights side of the argument, it gets sidelined much higher up in the party. Not a good look for a (supposedly) democratic party. Although I do think the recent shift in tone at the top, is partly as a result of these views having registered.

And as with jeremyp, I know your views and that you have spoken up about it. I agree that there have been better signs in Labour recently, but I would be happier if Starmer openly stood up for Rosie Duffield, and Lammy apologised for calling those standing up for women's sex based spaces 'dinosaurs.

[Nearly Sane]

The law is, as so often, an ass.


https://forwomen.scot/01/11/2023/court-decision-reclaiming-motion/

[Nearly Sane]

The law is, as so often, an ass.


https://forwomen.scot/01/11/2023/court-decision-reclaiming-motion/

Good analysis of the impact


https://unherd.com/thepost/scottish-feminists-lose-appeal-on-definition-of-woman/

[Nearly Sane]

Good analysis of the impact


https://unherd.com/thepost/scottish-feminists-lose-appeal-on-definition-of-woman/

And Susan Dalgety on the mess of idiocy that the law and the Scottish govt have achieved. It's good that she highlights the vacuous stupidity of the Scottish Greens with their misogyny.


https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/whether-our-msps-have-the-legislative-nous-and-political-skills-to-resolve-this-mess-remains-to-be-seen-susan-dalgety-4396568

[Nearly Sane]

Milli Hill on the appointment of Steph Richards to CEO of Endometriosis South West, and his, Richards, interactions with her.

https://millihill.substack.com/p/should-a-man-run-a-womens-charity

[Nearly Sane]

Hannah Barnes on the issues with setting up a replacement of the gender clinic at the Tavistock.

https://archive.vn/YEYgw

[Aruntraveller]

Good article on the tensions and differences between LGB and TQ+ :

https://nypost.com/2023/11/18/opinion/why-its-time-for-lgb-to-divorce-tq/?fbclid=IwAR2ScelFlEQ7QsblWU3ReqNhwDuq2ynYuZg1eu0Bk4un-0gttbaiAsoCF4s

[Nearly Sane]

Interview with a women professional pool player refusing to participate against men in women's events.


https://archive.li/xGyB2#selection-3013.4-3017.120

[jeremyp]

Trouble in football

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67482965

Four clubs reportedly withdrew from matches against Rossington Main Ladies after a shot by Francesca Needham [a trans woman] injured an opposition player.

[Nearly Sane]

Trouble in football

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67482965

Decision in cricket


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/67470009

[jeremyp]

Decision in cricket


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/67470009

hmmm that seemed easy. I wonder why the FA is making such a meal of it.

[Nearly Sane]

Meanwhile in Ancient Rome...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67484645


Ffs!

[jeremyp]

Meanwhile in Ancient Rome...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67484645


Ffs!

Ah yes. Elagabalus.

There are three sources on him but only one - Cassius Dio - mentions the trans gender bit. Cassius Dio also says he raped a vestal virgin and forced her to marry him and that he tortured the children of several Roman noblemen. But hey ho.

The following video examines the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI3Ek8bO8uk

[Nearly Sane]

Ah yes. Elagabalus.

There are three sources on him but only one - Cassius Dio - mentions the trans gender bit. Cassius Dio also says he raped a vestal virgin and forced her to marry him and that he tortured the children of several Roman noblemen. But hey ho.

The following video examines the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI3Ek8bO8uk

He often features in lists as the 'worst Roman emperor of all time' so I had to admit being bemused when I heard him being picked as an example. I have severe doubts about a lot of the more outré stories about Roman emperors, and for similar reasons, popes. They have a strong whiff of propaganda about them.

[Nearly Sane]

Ah yes. Elagabalus.

There are three sources on him but only one - Cassius Dio - mentions the trans gender bit. Cassius Dio also says he raped a vestal virgin and forced her to marry him and that he tortured the children of several Roman noblemen. But hey ho.

The following video examines the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI3Ek8bO8uk

Now watched the whole video, really rather jolly. I have to love anyone calling themself Metatron. I was a bit surprised that he didn't cover that a lot of this echoes what was said about Sulla, Julius Caesar, Caligula, Nero, etc etc...

There's an approach that could be taken that those that were trans in ancient Rome were then vilified because of their transness and that the other actions should be ignored. It would be obviously partial and unevidenced but you could portray a pattern for the instances I've mentioned.

I'm also reminded of the scandal of Publius Clodius at the rites of Bona Dea, link below, which I am sure must now have a 'trans' interpretation on the web somewhere.

https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/bona-dea-scandal/

[Nearly Sane]

Adult Human Female is shown eventually at Edinburgh University

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67504202

Can be watched here

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo?si=egBe3mA70PZoNqEM

[Nearly Sane]

Adult Human Female is shown eventually at Edinburgh University

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67504202

Can be watched here

https://youtu.be/94HFMSm-JBo?si=egBe3mA70PZoNqEM

Of course not all attempts to speak manage to happen due to violent attacks


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/where-was-the-police-nowhere-to-be-found-martina-navratilova-reacts-to-protestors-violence-against-american-writer-during-wdi-event-in-portland/ar-AA1kkahm

[Nearly Sane]

hmmm that seemed easy. I wonder why the FA is making such a meal of it.

The Australians rejecting the ICC ruling.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/sport/cricket-australia-will-not-follow-the-international-cricket-councils-new-eligibility-requirements-which-ban-transgender-players-from-the-elite-level/news-story/38032a281f2cfd7fb42229ed0ed1998b

[Nearly Sane]

"But the obvious question is how we got here: the point where this level of security is needed for the screening of a film in which people discuss views they are perfectly entitled to hold."

Indeed


https://archive.vn/YI34T

[Nearly Sane]

Excellent piece by Victoria Smith in reaction to an article from Kenny Farquarson about the decision in the case brought by For Women Scotland recently. The Farquarson article is the second link and contains in his comment that:

“womanhood in all its glory”  be “capacious enough, generous enough, diverse enough, to accommodate and perhaps even to welcome a small number of people who did not start life’s journey as women”, an indication of such patronising smug prickery that it is 'deserving' of some sort of award.

https://thecritic.co.uk/ive-done-the-work-thanks/


https://archive.vn/xW2Ej