Trans rights: a perspective

[SteveH]

Guardian article on the over-medicalisation of adolescents with "gender distress".
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/thousands-of-children-unsure-of-gender-identity-let-down-by-nhs-report-finds

[Nearly Sane]

Guardian article on the over-medicalisation of adolescents with "gender distress".
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/thousands-of-children-unsure-of-gender-identity-let-down-by-nhs-report-finds

Think it's worth highlighting that it's about the release of the Cass review of the treatment of children in the UK, and the the mistakes made by carrying out unevidenced medicalisation.

[Aruntraveller]

Also worth bearing in mind who this has mainly affected:

"The only figures relating to sexual orientation provided by GIDS show that 89% of girls and 81% of boys described themselves as same-sex attracted. The Tavistock were ‘transing away the gay’. Shame on those who cheered it on." LGB Alliance

[Nearly Sane]

Also worth bearing in mind who this has mainly affected:

"The only figures relating to sexual orientation provided by GIDS show that 89% of girls and 81% of boys described themselves as same-sex attracted. The Tavistock were ‘transing away the gay’. Shame on those who cheered it on." LGB Alliance

I think, sadly, that those who cheered it on, did so out of the best of intentions but with little thought.

[Nearly Sane]

As Joan Smith points out, there are a number of reverse ferrets about.


https://unherd.com/newsroom/stonewall-memory-holes-opposition-to-cass-report/

[jeremyp]

Think it's worth highlighting that it's about the release of the Cass review of the treatment of children in the UK, and the the mistakes made by carrying out unevidenced medicalisation.

You can read the actual report here:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

[Nearly Sane]

You can read the actual report here:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

Thanks, I read it last night. One of the most worrying thing was the reluctance, and refusal of clinics to provide evidence.

[Nearly Sane]

Thanks, I read it last night. One of the most worrying thing was the reluctance, and refusal of clinics to provide evidence.

The point on the refusal of clinics to provide evidence is picked up. It seems completely antithetical to any scientific stance to do this.

I see Wes Streeting is ignoring the vilification of women who are standing up for sex based spaces, having been part of the problem.

[Nearly Sane]

'Ban on children’s puberty blockers to be enforced in private sector in England' - good.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/11/ban-on-childrens-puberty-blockers-to-be-enforced-in-private-sector-in-england

[Nearly Sane]

"Doctor exploits NHS loophole to prescribe hormones for children"

No doubt this will be seen by some to be stunning and brave, no doubt it will feel like that to individual, and that is the root of the tragedy.

https://archive.fo/9d8kJ

[Nearly Sane]

Good report of what seems like a serious debate on the change of law in Sweden. As so often though, it's not clear what consideration is given to the effect of laws on the legal fiction of 'gender' has upon the legal positions based on sex. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/17/sweden-passes-law-lowering-age-to-legally-change-gender-from-18-to-16

[Nearly Sane]

Puberty blockers paused in Scotland after the Cass Report. Pity that they were used without sufficient evidence in the first place. Will be interesting to see of thos has an effect on the SNP - Green coalition in Holyrood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68844119

[Nearly Sane]

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[Nearly Sane]

Great angry blog


https://roserickford.substack.com/p/both-sides

[SteveH]

It occurred to me some time ago, and I've since read confirmation of it, that many gay adolescents may have convinced themselves and others that they are trans, because being trans is quite fashionable these days while being gay is a bit old hat. Thus there is a potential cause of conflict between the trans and gay lobbies.

[Nearly Sane]

It occurred to me some time ago, and I've since read confirmation of it, that many gay adolescents may have convinced themselves and others that they are trans, because being trans is quite fashionable these days while being gay is a bit old hat. Thus there is a potential cause of conflict between the trans and gay lobbies.

And been convinced by some in the medical profession who have carried out a version of conversion therapy on teenagers.

[Nearly Sane]

Puberty blockers paused in Scotland after the Cass Report. Pity that they were used without sufficient evidence in the first place. Will be interesting to see of thos has an effect on the SNP - Green coalition in Holyrood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68844119

And it does

https://news.stv.tv/politics/furious-lgbt-scottish-greens-say-party-could-leave-government-over-nhs-puberty-blockers-pause

[Nearly Sane]

Hilary Cass on reaction to her report





https://archive.fo/SRB1u

[jeremyp]

Hilary Cass on reaction to her report





https://archive.fo/SRB1u

Link is broken

[Nearly Sane]

Link is broken

Works for me and trying to set it up in archive again just returns same link


https://archive.fo/SRB1u


This is link to The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hilary-cass-i-cant-travel-on-public-transport-any-more-35pt0mvnh


And to archive site, so you can see if pasting it into it direct works for you.

https://archive.fo/

[jeremyp]

Works for me and trying to set it up in archive again just returns same link


https://archive.fo/SRB1u


This is link to The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hilary-cass-i-cant-travel-on-public-transport-any-more-35pt0mvnh


And to archive site, so you can see if pasting it into it direct works for you.

https://archive.fo/

The link works in Chrome, but not in Safari or Firefox. Both of the latter two give a security error and refuse to serve the page.

[Nearly Sane]

As the comment makes clear - follow the science for the Scottish Greens till it conflicts with their gender religion


https://archive.fo/BgBmM

[Nearly Sane]

"Census data on number of trans people in Britain is ‘deeply flawed’"


Not really surprising

https://archive.fo/aqaS6

[Aruntraveller]

It occurred to me some time ago, and I've since read confirmation of it, that many gay adolescents may have convinced themselves and others that they are trans, because being trans is quite fashionable these days while being gay is a bit old hat. Thus there is a potential cause of conflict between the trans and gay lobbies.

There are definitely conflicts between some gay people and some trans people.

In some cases it is not the gay adolescents who have convinced themselves, it is others, in the USA, quite often the parents, pushing it on their children. Colloquially known as "transing the gay away". That Iran has pursued this path for years seems to have bypassed the Trans lobby in the West:

https://www.us-iran.org/resources/2021/7/15/homosexuality-gender-assignment-in-iran     (Scroll to the last paragraph for the relevant passage)

Some parents would rather have gender-conforming children rather than have gay children. That is the irony here, they push children into stereotypical "male/female"roles thinking they are being in some way radical, rather than have a camp son or a butch daughter even if they have to have surgery and pills to maintain that state.

[Nearly Sane]

"Addressing misogyny must include addressing trans activism" - great article by Victoria Smith

https://thecritic.co.uk/addressing-misogyny-must-include-addressing-trans-activism/