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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2075 on: April 30, 2024, 10:00:48 PM »
Joan Smith on Keir Starmer's inability to apologise to Rosie Duffield, and underlines why I think he is not a leader.


https://unherd.com/newsroom/keir-starmer-owes-rosie-duffield-an-apology/
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2076 on: May 04, 2024, 12:25:03 PM »
Sturgeon's hypocrisy


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« Reply #2077 on: May 04, 2024, 05:34:32 PM »
Girls banned for refusing to compete with boy who says he's a girl. And so many on the 'left' have cheered, and cheer this.



https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/us/this-is-shameful-outrage-as-west-virginia-school-girls-who-protested-trans-athletes-participation-are-banned-from-future-competitions/ar-AA1nY0OV
 
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2078 on: May 06, 2024, 02:44:34 PM »
Victoria Smith on the pornification of breastfeeding where those who are supposed to look after the interests of women and babies now tout child abuse by drugged men.

https://thecritic.co.uk/misappropriating-motherhood/

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« Reply #2079 on: May 09, 2024, 10:36:07 AM »
Fascinating, sad, interview with Hilary Cass.


https://archive.fo/LGDUB

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« Reply #2080 on: May 13, 2024, 07:13:26 PM »
Fairly mild article on the anti women, anti gay, pro experimentation  on children Scottish Greens.

https://archive.fo/RfqLa

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« Reply #2081 on: May 15, 2024, 06:00:02 PM »
Interesting interview with Dr Hilary Cass from the New York Post


https://archive.fo/fVFXl
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2082 on: May 16, 2024, 10:52:04 AM »
'Schools told not to teach about gender identity' - the headline is not backed up by the article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-69017920
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2083 on: May 24, 2024, 05:00:29 PM »
The Strange Case of 'Terfs', Fascists, Author Cancellations, Book Blacklisting and Literature Alliance Scotland.

Publicly funded body attempting to censor women who stand up for women's spaces.

https://magigibson.substack.com/p/the-strange-case-of-terfs-fascists

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« Reply #2084 on: May 25, 2024, 02:25:13 PM »
The Strange Case of 'Terfs', Fascists, Author Cancellations, Book Blacklisting and Literature Alliance Scotland.

Publicly funded body attempting to censor women who stand up for women's spaces.

https://magigibson.substack.com/p/the-strange-case-of-terfs-fascists
Apparently the document was loaded in error.


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« Reply #2085 on: May 29, 2024, 01:58:16 PM »
Extracts from
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The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht: Voices from the Front-Line of Scotland’s Battle for Women’s Rights




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« Reply #2086 on: May 30, 2024, 10:13:47 PM »
Helen Joyce on the reverse ferreting since the Cass Report

https://thecritic.co.uk/sorry-is-the-hardest-word/

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« Reply #2087 on: May 31, 2024, 03:38:56 PM »
Gender and Josef K by Jean Hatchet


The attempts to shut up women speaking up on women's rights are deeply dusturbing at a general level but this covers how it can be frightening on the personal level.

https://thecritic.co.uk/gender-and-josef-k/

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2088 on: June 01, 2024, 01:25:38 PM »
Except the person accused is not a woman.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2089 on: June 01, 2024, 07:37:07 PM »
Jenny Lindsay just put up her article from 2020 to complement the publication The Women Who Wouldn't Wheest. Powerful then, and now. Just so sad how so many on the left have remained silent or joined in on the attack on women's rights because of an anti scientific ideology.


https://jennylindsaywriter.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-hounding
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2090 on: June 02, 2024, 01:39:15 PM »
Except the person accused is not a woman.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

Which is true, but not relevant to the story.
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« Reply #2091 on: June 02, 2024, 02:06:08 PM »
Which is true, but not relevant to the story.
So you are happy with inaccurate reporting

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2092 on: June 03, 2024, 08:30:39 AM »
'Tories pledge to tackle 'confusion' over legal definition of sex' - hurrah, a Tory policy I agree with. Be interested if any of the other main parties say anything clear about this.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kkvkkejgno

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2093 on: June 03, 2024, 09:13:47 AM »
'Tories pledge to tackle 'confusion' over legal definition of sex' - hurrah, a Tory policy I agree with. Be interested if any of the other main parties say anything clear about this.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kkvkkejgno
Absolute car wreck interview from Badenoch on Today this morning. This is apparently about clarifying the law, but she was completely unable and unwilling to clarify how the legal definition of 'biological sex' would be determined, given that trans people are allowed, legally, to change their birth certificates. So she was pressed several times on whether an original 'at birth' birth certificate would be required legally or whether trans people would be allowed to use their new, legal birth certificate.

She also effectively said that it was up to organisations to determine for themselves whether or not to restrict services by biological sex (not that she was clear what the law will define this to be).

Finally, and I think most terrifyingly, she appeared to suggest that a transwoman who had had gender reassignment surgery so now had no penis and has a vagina, would be sent to a men's prison, regardless of their crimes. And to protect them from other inmates (who will likely include a far higher proportion of rapists than are present in a women's prison) would be effectively put in isolation. I mean, WTF, so a transwoman 20 years on from surgery who is in jail due to fraud would be sent to a male prison, and effectively be subject to greater sanction by placed in isolation because of her trans status. Despite posing no risk whatsoever to the other inmates in a woman's prison.

Surely in the matter of prisons this needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis - based on assessment of the risk posed by that person to other inmates balanced against the risk posed to that person from other inmates.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2094 on: June 03, 2024, 09:33:52 AM »
She also effectively said that it was up to organisations to determine for themselves whether or not to restrict services by biological sex (not that she was clear what the law will define this to be).
I actually think this is a reasonable position, if organisations can be relied upon to make rational rather than ideological decisions.
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Surely in the matter of prisons this needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis - based on assessment of the risk posed by that person to other inmates balanced against the risk posed to that person from other inmates.
That's always seemed obvious to me.
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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2095 on: June 03, 2024, 09:39:38 AM »
I actually think this is a reasonable position, if organisations can be relied upon to make rational rather than ideological decisions.
Yup I agree too - but this is already the case so I'm struggling to see why any 'clarification' or change in the law is needed - except smoke and mirrors raw meat to the Tory base (and NS!).

That's always seemed obvious to me.
Likewise to me. But that wasn't what I took Badenoch to be implying. She certainly seemed to be saying that transwomen must go to male prisons, and if they are at risk from the male prisoners in that prison due to their trans status then they should be isolated.

But she also said that trans men shouldn't go to women's prisons!! So if you are trans it's off to a men's prison for you regardless of your biological sex. So it is all about biological sex ... except where it isn't!!

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« Reply #2096 on: June 03, 2024, 10:00:40 AM »
Absolute car wreck interview from Badenoch on Today this morning. This is apparently about clarifying the law, but she was completely unable and unwilling to clarify how the legal definition of 'biological sex' would be determined, given that trans people are allowed, legally, to change their birth certificates. So she was pressed several times on whether an original 'at birth' birth certificate would be required legally or whether trans people would be allowed to use their new, legal birth certificate.

She also effectively said that it was up to organisations to determine for themselves whether or not to restrict services by biological sex (not that she was clear what the law will define this to be).

Finally, and I think most terrifyingly, she appeared to suggest that a transwoman who had had gender reassignment surgery so now had no penis and has a vagina, would be sent to a men's prison, regardless of their crimes. And to protect them from other inmates (who will likely include a far higher proportion of rapists than are present in a women's prison) would be effectively put in isolation. I mean, WTF, so a transwoman 20 years on from surgery who is in jail due to fraud would be sent to a male prison, and effectively be subject to greater sanction by placed in isolation because of her trans status. Despite posing no risk whatsoever to the other inmates in a woman's prison.

Surely in the matter of prisons this needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis - based on assessment of the risk posed by that person to other inmates balanced against the risk posed to that person from other inmates.

Surely sex matters? If you want to traumatise women by having biological men as prisoners with them then your misogyny is showing. As to not being a risk, how do you ensure no risk. There are men who haven't had major surgery and hormone treatment who might not present a risk but are excluded as a matter of coarse. Why would you include men who obviously have severe mental issues in with women? And as to offending


https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

I think women in prison deserve something more researchedcabout dangers than a random bloke on the Internet declaring men who seek major surgery and hormone treatments are safe.

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2097 on: June 03, 2024, 10:02:45 AM »
I actually think this is a reasonable position, if organisations can be relied upon to make rational rather than ideological decisions.That's always seemed obvious to me.
And yet if the Haldane decision is anything to go by the current system doesn't do that. Also note there are many cases where organisations stating they are single sex are challenged for doing so because of the ambiguity in the law
 

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« Reply #2098 on: June 03, 2024, 10:10:57 AM »
Yup I agree too - but this is already the case so I'm struggling to see why any 'clarification' or change in the law is needed - except smoke and mirrors raw meat to the Tory base (and NS!).
Likewise to me. But that wasn't what I took Badenoch to be implying. She certainly seemed to be saying that transwomen must go to male prisons, and if they are at risk from the male prisoners in that prison due to their trans status then they should be isolated.

But she also said that trans men shouldn't go to women's prisons!! So if you are trans it's off to a men's prison for you regardless of your biological sex. So it is all about biological sex ... except where it isn't!!
So is the EHRC's chair Baroness Kishwer Falkner just being distracted by the smoke and mirrors, how about John Healey when he talks about Labour needing to produce more guidance. Is JK Rowling just taken in by this. How about Rhona Hotchkiss as covered in this article?

https://archive.vn/hjJ1f

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Re: Trans rights: a perspective
« Reply #2099 on: June 03, 2024, 10:16:18 AM »
And while we're on the subject of organisations making rational decisions. Tell that to the women sexually assaulted by Karen White

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/karen-white-transgender-prisoner-jailed-life-sexual-assault-rape-a8579146.html