Anti-Semitism in UK

[Aruntraveller]

evangelical TORY Christian lobby

FTFY

[Aruntraveller]

I've been away for a few days so missed out on much of this - but I'm with Rhi on this. I don't understand it. It seldom crosses my mind to even think that somebody might be Jewish and if it does then so what? The whole thing is bizarre.

The Labour party's inability to get to grips with it is depressing and is one of the things that so worries me about Corbyn.

Not that he is anti-Semitic because he isn't, but the fact that he is incapable of managing these issues when they come up. And they will continue to come up, the establishment will have a whole load of things that will be brought out about him and twisted into a narrative to make him look something completely other than he is.

[Roses]

It is personality, which should be important, not one's race, colour, creed, gender or sexuality.

[Rhiannon]

It is personality, which should be important, not one's race, colour, creed, gender or sexuality.

No, it is someone's basic humanity that matters. Even if they are utter dipsticks. Which a lot of people are.

[ippy]

I understand anti Semitism from the various ways conveyed by its proponents at the same time I can think of plenty of things to be pro Semite about, just for starters have a look at the list of Jewish Nobel prize winners, some 25% Jewish winners and have a think about the amount these Jewish winners have enriched this world for all of us.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Just to flag that the couple referred to in the report have a specific agenda



https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/more-than-70-attend-re-launch-of-uk-zionist-party/

[wigginhall]

Largely because Israel's supporters, especially in the evangelical Christian lobby, deliberately muddle it.

It seems more complex than that.  I'm sure that various supporters of Israel hate Corbyn, as do probably various right-wing Labour people.  And they may be using anti-Semitism as a weapon.   

So in a way, Corbyn can't win.   He has a faction in Labour determined to get rid of him, of course this is perfectly OK within Labour rules, but they are helping the Tories.  What amazes me about Corbyn is his toughness, with the press gunning for him as well.

It's Brexit where I have a quarrel with him.

[Rhiannon]

It seems more complex than that.  I'm sure that various supporters of Israel hate Corbyn, as do probably various right-wing Labour people.  And they may be using anti-Semitism as a weapon.   

So in a way, Corbyn can't win.   He has a faction in Labour determined to get rid of him, of course this is perfectly OK within Labour rules, but they are helping the Tories.  What amazes me about Corbyn is his toughness, with the press gunning for him as well.

It's Brexit where I have a quarrel with him.

The problem is that his handling of it has been so inept. This could have been dealt with two, three years ago.

[wigginhall]

The problem is that his handling of it has been so inept. This could have been dealt with two, three years ago.

Then the right wing would find another weapon.  They will never give up.

[Nearly Sane]

The problem is that his handling of it has been so inept. This could have been dealt with two, three years ago.

And it's as if he hasn't noticed. It doesn't seem tough to me it seems out of touch.

[Nearly Sane]

Then the right wing would find another weapon.  They will never give up.

Well, yes, it's sort of at least some of their point. That they are using his weakness doesn't make him strong.

[Rhiannon]

And it's as if he hasn't noticed. It doesn't seem tough to me it seems out of touch.

Out of touch, and delusional. 'I know I'm a nice bloke so it must be obvious to everyone.'

[Rhiannon]

Then the right wing would find another weapon.  They will never give up.

The right wanted him elected leader in the first place.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/24/corbyn-english-irony-video-reignites-antisemitism-row-labour

So those non-Jewish Zionists who perhaps might have lived here for all their lives but don't understand English irony would be who, exactly?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/24/corbyn-english-irony-video-reignites-antisemitism-row-labour

So those non-Jewish Zionists who perhaps might have lived here for all their lives but don't understand English irony would be who, exactly?

According to your link he seems to be referring to the Zionists who were in the audience during a speech by Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, and who then came up and berated Manuel Hassassian for what he said about the history of Palestine.

I wouldn't assume that all Zionist activists are Jewish but not really sure how one goes about finding out the names and races of any activists who do come up to argue with speakers.   

[Nearly Sane]

According to your link he seems to be referring to the Zionists who were in the audience during a speech by Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, and who then came up and berated Manuel Hassassian for what he said about the history of Palestine.

I wouldn't assume that all Zionist activists are Jewish but not really sure how one goes about finding out the names and races of any activists who do come up to argue with speakers.

What's English irony?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

What's English irony?

The kind of irony found in English literature or writing or speech?

[Nearly Sane]

The kind of irony found in English literature or writing or speech?

Aye, right.

[trippymonkey]

It is personality, which should be important, not one's race, colour, creed, gender or sexuality.

Do you really feel these qualities have NOTHING at all to do with character ?!?!!?!?

Nick

[Nearly Sane]

Do you really feel these qualities have NOTHING at all to do with character ?!?!!?!?

Nick

So you would judge someone based on one of those pieces of information?

[Nearly Sane]

I am, and have been a big fan of David Schneider for years. He's been one of the most reasonable and coherent Twitter posters on the issue of anti-Semitism in the UK and Labour. This strikes a chord


https://mobile.twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1033045924895965184

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I disagree with David Schneider's interpretation. I see nothing wrong with suggesting some people don't get English irony - it's a cultural issue, not a race issue. Some people of various races who don't live here get English irony. Friends in the US tell me some of their friends don't get some of their English sarcasm - they emigrated to the US from Sri Lanka so have never lived in England but absorbed certain aspects of English culture from books, radio, TV and from people returning on holiday from studying in the UK. 

I think some people are too sensitive about references to the English or English culture.

[Nearly Sane]

I disagree with David Schneider's interpretation. I see nothing wrong with suggesting some people don't get English irony - it's a cultural issue, not a race issue. Some people of various races who don't live here get English irony. Friends in the US tell me some of their friends don't get some of their English sarcasm - they emigrated to the US from Sri Lanka so have never lived in England but absorbed certain aspects of English culture from books, radio, TV and from people returning on holiday from studying in the UK. 

I think some people are too sensitive about references to the English or English culture.

Except Corbyn refers to people living in 'this' country. Not people speaking English.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Except Corbyn refers to people living in 'this' country. Not people speaking English.

Corbyn refers to the Zionist activists in the audience who came up to argue with the speaker, Manuel Hassassian, who gave a speech on the history of Palestine as “They clearly have two problems. One is that they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, don’t understand English irony either."

“Manuel does understand English irony, and uses it very effectively. So I think they needed two lessons, which we can perhaps help them with.”

Not seeing the problem yet. Where is the generalisation about Zionists or Jews? What is the issue with calling parts of a speech made by a Palestinian "English irony" or offering help in understanding Manuel's use of English irony? 

[trippymonkey]

So you would judge someone based on one of those pieces of information?

That is SO obviously what I DIDN'T say !!!!!