The Living-Cell

[ippy]

Made more sense than Nick's "science"!

Love it S T, although I'm obviously more serious about science than you are and of course therefore more of a 'Clangers' fan.

Regards ippy.

[Sebastian Toe]

Love it S T, although I'm obviously more serious about science than you are and of course therefore more of a 'Clangers' fan.

Regards ippy.

As far as I'm concerned, Clangers fans can go whistle!

[NicholasMarks]

You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?

So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?

We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.

[Dicky Underpants]

We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning the righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.

Which didn't answer my question (which was a direct inference from what you had previously written).

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

We know that Almighty God comes from Heaven...we know that in the beginning was the 'word'...we know that Jesus Christ is God's 'word' made flesh. We know that Satan lived in Heaven until he was unceremoniously kicked out for condemning righteousness. We know so much more if we want to read about him. It is all truth so that the skill is making that truth fit science or rather making science fit God's truth. Every calculation, every equation, every scientific constant, every theory, every element of life has to justify God's teaching that it is the result of a wonderful, superabundant dynamic energy that restructured itself to meet every scientific law whether known or as yet unknown...now...boy...is that a wonderful science.

“We know” no such things – rather these are just personal faith beliefs that you happen to have, however unqualified and incoherent. Your bigger problem though is that you overreach by claiming them to be science when that term has a definition that you fail to satisfy on any possible level.

If you really want to show your assertions to be scientific then, finally, you’ll need to set out at least the basic conditions necessary for that term to apply. Until you do that, your claims have the same status of those of the leprechaunists and the pixicologists, and so you must expect them to be treated accordingly.

[NicholasMarks]

You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?

So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?

Definitely not steady state...it all happened as fast as it takes for massive shock-waves to penetrate into deep-space so that all galaxy clouds were sent spinning, hurtling, and swirling away from the epicentre of a hmmm I'll call it a big-bang but, in reality, was a hadron type collision of at least two dense galaxy cores that were set in motion when at least two galaxy mass-less clouds merged together. Almighty God realised this and took ownership of it all saying that he was like a man, who, upon finding gold in a field, sold all that he owned and so, purchased that field. In righteous speak this tells us so much more than the mere words...but it helps if you read about it all yourself.

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

“We know” no such things – rather these are just personal faith beliefs that you happen to have, however unqualified and incoherent. Your bigger problem though is that you overreach by claiming them to be science when that term has a definition that you fail to satisfy on any possible level.

If you really want to show your assertions to be scientific then, finally, you’ll need to set out at least the basic conditions necessary for that term to apply. Until you do that, your claims have the same status of those of the leprechaunists and the pixicologists, and so you must expect them to be treated accordingly.

I have met with the scientific conditions of the highest scientist that has ever roamed this universe...and a few million who have followed his word have shown that it is a repeating science which soothes and calms the genetic excitement that Satan works tirelessly to induce and which will be our first consideration when we come to understand cancer...bullying...and abusive behaviour, no matter where it stems from.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

I have met with the scientific conditions of the highest scientist that has ever roamed this universe...and a few million who have followed his word have shown that it is a repeating science which soothes and calms the genetic excitement that Satan works tirelessly to induce and which will be our first consideration when we come to understand cancer...bullying...and abusive behaviour, no matter where it stems from.

That’s categorically not true. The conditions necessary for the term “science” to apply entail hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsification, publication, peer review etc. So far as I’m aware, you’ve never once managed to meet any of these conditions and so whatever else your claims and speculations might be, they cannot be science.

Didn’t Jesus have something to say about people who bear false witness?

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

That’s categorically not true. The conditions necessary for the term “science” to apply entail hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsification, publication, peer review etc. So far as I’m aware, you’ve never once managed to meet any of these conditions and so whatever else your claims and speculations might be, they cannot be science.

Didn’t Jesus have something to say about people who bear false witness?

You keep saying that Almighty God has got to comply with mans scientific rules...he doesn't...what he did is write a comprehensive book, over many generations, that contains his science and invites us all to follow it righteously...Those that try find the fruits God and Jesus promise...those that don't, seem to have a big problem with it but it doesn't make  them kinder, more loving, caring, responsive individuals though these are the natural traits of good health and happiness and accurate Christian teaching.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

You keep saying that Almighty God has got to comply with mans scientific rules...he doesn't...what he did is write a comprehensive book, over many generations, that contains his science and invites us all to follow it righteously...Those that try find the fruits God and Jesus promise...those that don't, seem to have a big problem with it but it doesn't make  them kinder, more loving, caring, responsive individuals though these are the natural traits of good health and happiness and accurate Christian teaching.

No I don’t. What I’m explaining to you is that words have meanings and definitions, so you cannot just claim them as you please for your assertions unless those assertions satisfy those definitions. If you look up the word “science” for example you’ll find that it doesn’t mean “whatever NM wants it to mean” but instead has a meaning independent of your imaginings (here for example from Wiki: “Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe”).

Can you see where you’ve gone wrong now, or do you intend to carry on bearing false witness?

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

No I don’t. What I’m explaining to you is that words have meanings and definitions, so you cannot just claim them as you please for your assertions unless those assertions satisfy those definitions. If you look up the word “science” for example you’ll find that it doesn’t mean “whatever NM wants it to mean” but instead has a meaning independent of your imaginings (here for example from Wiki: “Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe”).

Can you see where you’ve gone wrong now, or do you intend to carry on bearing false witness?

If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for  a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.

 

[Anchorman]

If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for  a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.

 

   



Which part of
"no-one has yet proven that there is a black hole at the centre of every galaxy" don't you understand?
It's a theory; and as far as I know it only applies to spiral galaxies.
Not every galaxy is a spiral galaxy....vis the Magellanic clouds.
Your theory is thus void unless you can find REAL evidence to substantiate it.

[torridon]

If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for  a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.
 

More lies from Mr Marks, you haven't 'shown' us any of the things you claim, all you ever do is make bizarre unsubstantiated claims without any scintilla of justification.  That isn't science, it isn't truthfulness, it isn't measured, it is just fantasy seemingly untempered by any desire to communicate with other people on a reasonable basis.  You come across as an habitual and persistent liar seemingly suffering from some flavour of grandiose delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

[NicholasMarks]

There is no escaping the science...evolution proves it...the star formation throughout the universe proves it...the behaviour of the living cell proves it...it all proves that electric/spiritual laws control our existences and this is proven by the way advertisers and propagandists manipulate us through this medium. I am insistent because the main force of proof is issued through Biblical truth and if we have found a way of controlling our own genetic health it should be applauded by everyone...not the least the antiChrist because it offers all those who repent a way back.

Coming back to the living cell...the main thrust of its replicating forces is achieved by two tiny electrical forces coming together and passing through each other. They are invisible and mass-less but carry this unique ability to pull organic material together and form the living cell from it. The proof is in the scientific phases discovered by others but which show the traces of this scientific path as it progresses...From this simple point alone I have proven the scientific veracity of what I am saying and makes those calling me a liar the obvious frauds here.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

If I were bearing false witness I would certainly apologise...but I'm not. My science, which really is God's word, with a modern twist, remains unchanged. He broke the hidden code of nature...Jesus Christ lived that word...poetically called God's 'word' made flesh...and I have given it a modern status built on top of modern science. I have put scientific components inside the atom showing how they vary dependant upon their depth within the star that created them. I have shown how the black-hole at the centre of every galaxy is the swirling force hoovering up dense solar-fields of energy, one after the other, to form a galaxy of stars and I have shown you that gravity is the behaviour of mass when interfering with the original static dimension that lies beneath all the high-speed movement that hurtles through it. No science can do these things because they are flawed...they refuses to accept the honesty and authority of the universe's lead-scientist. But that is insignificant now. We are warned by that head-scientist what lies ahead and how to protect ourselves...failure to follow righteousness means we will fail God's Judgment and righteousness is a science which states that our attitudes are what affects our genetics more than anything else, and following Jesus Christ, accurately, allows God's science to work within us with the possibility of genetic repair and resurrection because it is our spiritual health that determines our genetic health...proven to me in many different ways...but I am not prepared to water down God's word for  a scientific method that appeases only the antiChrist.

What you have done there is to post a series of assertions – doubtless sincerely believed – but you cannot have “shown” anything unless you work out a way to bridge the grand canyon-sized gap between assertion and knowledge. If you want to claim that that anything you have said is science, then you have no choice but to play on science’s turf – you know, all the essential stuff you leave out like evidence and testing and falsifiability and theory and peer review and and and…

Just now all you have is epistemically the same as assertions I may make about the dancing habits of leprechauns. I may deeply, sincerely think my speculations on lerpechaunal terpsichory to be true for you too, but I’ll have provided no reason for you to think that I’m right about that.

And there’s your problem: finally do some actual science rather than just claim to have done it and then – but only then – would you have the possibility at least of being listened to.   

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

What you have done there is to post a series of assertions – doubtless sincerely believed – but you cannot have “shown” anything unless you work out a way to bridge the grand canyon-sized gap between assertion and knowledge. If you want to claim that that anything you have said is science, then you have no choice but to play on science’s turf – you know, all the essential stuff you leave out like evidence and testing and falsifiability and theory and peer review and and and…

Just now all you have is epistemically the same as assertions I may make about the dancing habits of leprechauns. I may deeply, sincerely think my speculations on lerpechaunal terpsichory to be true for you too, but I’ll have provided no reason for you to think that I’m right about that.

And there’s your problem: finally do some actual science rather than just claim to have done it and then – but only then – would you have the possibility at least of being listened to.   

All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.

First, given how catastrophically wrong you get even the primary school-level science you attempt (your nonsense about a dark side of the planet, stars becoming less visible, an increase in the incidence of earthquakes etc) you show no sign of having researched any science at all.

Second however, it remains the case that you cannot have brought anything to a “scientific conclusion” unless you finally do some actual science. At best you have some barely understood findings from science that you try to marry with vagaries from an ancient text you think to be “holy”. It’s desperately poor thinking, and it condemns you to being ignored, laughed at or pitied when you do it.

As (presumably) though you’d rather be listened to why not at least find out the basics of the scientific method, and then try to apply them to your speculations? You’ll quickly find that they contain no science at all, but at least you’ll have been honest in the effort rather than remained stuck in your present rut of bearing false witness.   

[NicholasMarks]

NM,
 

First, given how catastrophically wrong you get even the primary school-level science you attempt (your nonsense about a dark side of the planet, stars becoming less visible, an increase in the incidence of earthquakes etc) you show no sign of having researched any science at all.

Second however, it remains the case that you cannot have brought anything to a “scientific conclusion” unless you finally do some actual science. At best you have some barely understood findings from science that you try to marry with vagaries from an ancient text you think to be “holy”. It’s desperately poor thinking, and it condemns you to being ignored, laughed at or pitied when you do it.

As (presumably) though you’d rather be listened to why not at least find out the basics of the scientific method, and then try to apply them to your speculations? You’ll quickly find that they contain no science at all, but at least you’ll have been honest in the effort rather than remained stuck in your present rut of bearing false witness.

Jesus Christ died to show us the most crucial scientific point that defies all scientific thinking thus far...that if we embrace God's science our electrical/spiritual person can be reborn to a new vessel...now...even though by your reasoning it is impossible to detect in a solid scientific way it is the main point of my reasoning...and if you are wise, you would explore this reasoning to the max  because it affects you directly. It's all possible because we are primarily spiritual beings born from an indestructible energy that required a genius to scientifically put it all together. Almighty God is that genius and he tells us all about it plainly and honestly...Jesus Christ delivered that science to us in a pure and righteous form and we are given a space to realise the full truth...but the time is coming when only faith will deliver us and all disobedience, hostility, and defiance will be swept away...This is why I encourage you all to read the Holy Bible as a scientific testimony reading it truthfully and accurately...particulary the New Testament.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

Jesus Christ died to show us the most crucial scientific point that defies all scientific thinking thus far...that if we embrace God's science our electrical/spiritual person can be reborn to a new vessel...now...even though by your reasoning it is impossible to detect in a solid scientific way it is the main point of my reasoning...and if you are wise, you would explore this reasoning to the max  because it affects you directly. It's all possible because we are primarily spiritual beings born from an indestructible energy that required a genius to scientifically put it all together. Almighty God is that genius and he tells us all about it plainly and honestly...Jesus Christ delivered that science to us in a pure and righteous form and we are given a space to realise the full truth...but the time is coming when only faith will deliver us and all disobedience, hostility, and defiance will be swept away...This is why I encourage you all to read the Holy Bible as a scientific testimony reading it truthfully and accurately...particulary the New Testament.

Do you remember that I explained to you the problem you give yourself when you make assertions but have no evidence or reasoning to support your claim that those assertions are scientific?

You do? Good. Well you’ve just done it again.

As you’re clearly dishonest for not addressing your problem despite having it explained to you several times now, I’ll leave you to it. 

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

Do you remember that I explained to you the problem you give yourself when you make assertions but have no evidence or reasoning to support your claim that those assertions are scientific?

You do? Good. Well you’ve just done it again.

As you’re clearly dishonest for not addressing your problem despite having it explained to you several times now, I’ll leave you to it.

The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.

Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.

Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.

Assertions 1, Science 0

[Anchorman]

The Holy Bible is built upon honesty...truthfulness...good-will and realisation that evil is a liar and a manipulator. You aren't saying that the Holy Bible doesn't exist are you? Even though you prefer it didn't you can't escape the fact and if you bothered to read it you would find that God is a spirit which means we can be fired by spiritual teaching as well. Propaganda is one of Satan's tools...tell them a pack of lies and insist its the truth. On this basis wars, poverty, ill-health and genetic oppression springs forth and where it is all taking us in this day and age is Satan's last fling before his eviction along with all his henchmen who don't cling to the electric nature of righteousness...That means total and absolute repentance.

Just think...a world with no aggression, no wars, no lies, no deceit and an environment that perpetuates strong genetic health...so much so that it will ultimately deliver everlasting life...It's all in the Holy Bible, written by an authority that doesn't lie...Almighty God and Jesus Christ with the bare-bones of my science scratched into their 'word' as an assembly language to make what is difficult to understand more easy.

 

Why did I read this?
It makes me want a paracetamol and it it's just gone noon.

Yes, the Bible Exists....thank God.
No; the Bible is not science, has never claimed to be science, never will be science and should not be conflated with science.
Yes; The Bible is - simplistically - about 'good and evil'.
No; good and evil have diddly squat to do with electrical genetical black holes or whatever your latesy fad is.
You can spout this diatribe till Nabiru sprouts chicken-shaped palm trees and, untill you provide solid, veriafiable, peer reviewed evidence to substantiate it, your posts are about as useful as a snowflake in a blast furnace.

[ippy]

All the scientific work has been done by others...what I have done is researched their work from many different perspectives and brought it all to an honest, scientific conclusion. It is science that say everything is energy...the Holy Bible says the same thing...I concur with them both.

Nick I've just read through another couple of your daft assertion full, bereft of viable evidenced content and a thought came to mind, you'd learn more about science if you watched a few editions of the Clangers and it would be far more advanced science  than all of the stuff you you come out with on this thread that you seem to think is science.

Regards ippy

[Anchorman]

Nick I've just read through another couple of your daft assertion full, bereft of viable evidenced content and a thought came to mind, you'd learn more about science if you watched a few editions of the Clangers and it would be far more advanced science  than all of the stuff you you come out with on this thread that you seem to think is science.

Regards ippy

The Iron Chicken rules.

[Dicky Underpants]

Almighty God realised this and took ownership of it all saying that he was like a man, who, upon finding gold in a field, sold all that he owned and so, purchased that field. In righteous speak this tells us so much more than the mere words...but it helps if you read about it all yourself.

Well, believe it or not, I have read quite a bit of the Bible. And I've certainly read the first pages many times. There it simply says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". What it does not say is "God took ownership of the universe"' let alone "he broke open the code of nature".
You're totally misrepresenting both the Bible and science. If you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual teacher, you would do well a) to get a reputable translation of the Bible b) not to deliberately misquote it.
And last but not least c) Learn some real science.