The Living-Cell

[NicholasMarks]

In many of your posts, NM, you talk of 'millions of Christians'. Whilst I do not accept argumentum ad populum, I'd say those 'millions of Christians' were on my side of the argument when it comes to your interpretation of John. THe word - as any REAL translation from the Greek has it, is not an 'it' - not a science, or a 'thing', dynamic or otherwise. He is God - as John states - right through His Gospel - enforcing it with his "Ego eimi" ("I am"( statements of Christ. Who arte these 'millions of Christians' who do not accespt Christ as God? If so they, and you, are not in accordance with the teaching of Scripture. I had a pleasant argument with JWs on this yesterday, after I told them to leave their NWT in their bags or preferrably, the bin. We spent forty five minutes comparing translations of John. I'm Happy to say I left one of them with serious doubts over what his cult told him.

Let's just remind you what John said...

In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.

So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word'  made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.

 

[Maeght]

Let's just remind you what John said...

In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.

So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word'  made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.

You can't argue with that Anchormam. You can't. To argue with it it has to have some cogent structured position. So you just can't.

[Anchorman]

Let's just remind you what John said...

In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.

So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word'  made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.

 

 



That interpretation of John is....unique.
Not Christian, but unique.
The Christian interpretation - the interpretation those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about - share, is this:
Before Everything God was.
Complete, Oner, whole.
Christ was there - part of that wholeness - God. God became Incarnate in Christ - look at the rest of the chapter - the 'Logos' (Word), for us to light the Way - Himself - to Him.
Paul expands on this in his famous "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God" passage in Colossians. John makes it clear that this Word - Christ - was the whole nature of God made man - the "I AM (YHWH), Greek "Ego Eimi", who scandalised his hearers by using that Name reserved to God alone - in other words, He claimed, not to speak for God, not to represent God - but to BE God. If Christ IS God - and those millions of Christians such as myself claim Him as such, the He is not dynamic energy, science, or whatever pseudoscientific nonsense you care to dream up.
hrist, the Logos of God, was, is, and forever will be HImself God.
No science can explain it.
No scientist, Christian or otherwise, needs to try.
For the Christian, it just is.

[torridon]

You introduce about three mythical beasts in your argument torri. Gravity is one of them. It isn't just a word it is a science...it has mechanics...I offer these mechanics in my understanding of the subject, you just accept it exists without any definition because science doesn't have a coherent definition. Accretion can only exist if atoms already exist...Your mythical beast just describes it as interstellar dust, mine gives you a ready and willing furnace to do the atom producing work, en masse, for you. Also, no one said that the planet Earth erupted perfectly formed as it is today...it obviously went through secondary stages and accretion played its part...and via these stages, trillions of part-atoms...'would be' hydrogen atoms, not fully formed, were snatched from our sun as the Earth ploughed through the sun's outer layer. That is how we know it all happened so very fast and how the living-cell later developed.

Just about as wrong as your first attempt.  Gravity is not a mythical beast, it is the curvature of spacetime.  The Earth did not form by ploughing through the outer layers of the Sun.  It is a slow process of accretion over millions of years. It was not fast, at least by human timescales.  The Sun does not produce hydrogen atoms, it burns them. Details and facts, not your strong point, clearly.

[torridon]

That is the problem when you have no mental agility. You are unable to look round corners or see what is inferred by facts. The facts are that The Holy Bible exists...it tells us of a wonderful dynamic energy that is at the root of all science and how to implement that science to bring us into peace, harmony, good health, and into a strong mental agility and that we have until the next chaotic global disturbance to get it right and Jesus Christ cannot be ignored if we want salvation from all that chaos.

Because we can't see this dynamic energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist...it means we should listen to those who, by their resurrection, say it exists and proved to us it does.

None of which justifies you making up incorrect stuff up about Earth history or astrophysics.  8th commandment, and all that.

[ippy]

Let's just remind you what John said...

In the beginning was the 'word'...and the word was with God...and the word was God, and the word of God was the light of the world.

So...to start the ball rolling, Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature. His interpretation was so accurate that he himself was transformed into the living voice of all the hidden energy revealed by his word. This means that you and I can be spiritual beings like God if we follow his science. Jesus Christ manifested this science to us...God's 'word'  made flesh...all we have to do is attach ourselves to their science and be saved from all calamity...by resurrection if and when it becomes necessary.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks...the science is indestructible...hence an indestructible God.

Have you ever wondered about the difference between a critical mass and a church service Nick?

Regards ippy

[Anchorman]

Have you ever wondered about the difference between a critical mass and a church service Nick?

Regards ippy

Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.

[Roses]

Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.

There is no church which espouses NM's unique take on matters of religion.

[NicholasMarks]

Just about as wrong as your first attempt.  Gravity is not a mythical beast, it is the curvature of spacetime.  The Earth did not form by ploughing through the outer layers of the Sun.  It is a slow process of accretion over millions of years. It was not fast, at least by human timescales.  The Sun does not produce hydrogen atoms, it burns them. Details and facts, not your strong point, clearly.

We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.

 

[NicholasMarks]

Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.

The church that says we must not follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ, or that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God...or that Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead...is null and void.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.

 

...or perhaps we can see that common sense tells us that whilst your pronouncements are the product of an over fertile imagination, they have nothing whatsoever to do with either science or reality.

[NicholasMarks]

 



That interpretation of John is....unique.
Not Christian, but unique.
The Christian interpretation - the interpretation those 'millions of Christians' you bang on about - share, is this:
Before Everything God was.
Complete, Oner, whole.
Christ was there - part of that wholeness - God. God became Incarnate in Christ - look at the rest of the chapter - the 'Logos' (Word), for us to light the Way - Himself - to Him.
Paul expands on this in his famous "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God" passage in Colossians. John makes it clear that this Word - Christ - was the whole nature of God made man - the "I AM (YHWH), Greek "Ego Eimi", who scandalised his hearers by using that Name reserved to God alone - in other words, He claimed, not to speak for God, not to represent God - but to BE God. If Christ IS God - and those millions of Christians such as myself claim Him as such, the He is not dynamic energy, science, or whatever pseudoscientific nonsense you care to dream up.
hrist, the Logos of God, was, is, and forever will be HImself God.
No science can explain it.
No scientist, Christian or otherwise, needs to try.
For the Christian, it just is.

What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ. Their teaching must embody all science and have an interpretation that can be justified within their teaching. Righteousness is the key word...doing the right things for the right reasons and upbuilding a righteous spirit within our own bodies is the only way to follow Jesus Christ's righteous teaching accurately. I'm sorry if your thinking doesn't comply with this but resurrection can't be accessed without it and Jesus spent his whole life and suffering to prove to us this point.

Think-on...This means that all those who have been so viley treated will be able to face and condemn their abusers at the time of God's reckoning...and there are some nasty people about.

[Roses]

Strangely enough NM doesn't really seem to mind that no one takes his world of pure fantasy seriously. If that is the case he is possibly a WUM getting his kicks by the attention his crazy posts are getting.

[torridon]

We must beg to differ then. You are bringing in another mythical beast to explain gravity. How can you bend space-time unless you have two different times to bend...and how can your bent space-time have such an amazing imploding force attached to it...which regulates itself according to mass. And why can't you acknowledge that if the Milky Way is moving at the speed of the expanding universe that you are too as well as everything else on planet Earth and that this isn't a sterile force but the primary force behind all science...especially when we throw in a superabundant dynamic energy into the mix. Perhaps it's because you don't like Almighty God being the total and absolute authority over science...or perhaps you don't want the restoration it offers.

I bring no mythical beasts, merely basic truths derived from science to offset your agenda-ridden baseless nonsense where you are clearly wrong. Have you not read the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not use the Internet to spread disinformation" ?

[NicholasMarks]

...or perhaps we can see that common sense tells us that whilst your pronouncements are the product of an over fertile imagination, they have nothing whatsoever to do with either science or reality.

We must beg to differ here as well.

[Roses]

We must beg to differ here as well.

What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ.


OK provide the evidence to support that statement. The Bible is not evidence, as much of those collection of documents have nothing to substantiate the things they claim, especially the stuff, which defies any REAL science, not your inaccurate use of that term.

[ippy]

Nice one!
However, I gather NM doesn't go in for church....which isn't very obedient to those Scriptures he says we have to follow.

Yes Anchor, I was thinking it applies to how dense some things are, can be.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

Strangely enough NM doesn't really seem to mind that no one takes his world of pure fantasy seriously. If that is the case he is possibly a WUM getting his kicks by the attention his crazy posts are getting.

I reckon he's A B's alter ego myself Floo.

Regards ippy

[NicholasMarks]

I bring no mythical beasts, merely basic truths derived from science to offset your agenda-ridden baseless nonsense where you are clearly wrong. Have you not read the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not use the Internet to spread disinformation" ?

Yes...I have read that commandment and fully endorse it. I know what I'm saying isn't popular...but neither is the Holy Bible...in fact Jesus was crucified telling us all that he had the keys over all universal laws including resurrection. Well I believe him and offer a science whereby it all becomes understandable...reasonable and scientific...and considering what is at stake...and very soon...it must be time for everyone to repent, else suffer the consequences. There is no way you can besmirch the evidence that there is a superabundant, dynamic energy behind all science because it is all around you all the time...in every star and in every atom, in all life and in all evil...and the only wholesome scientific laws appertaining to it that will benefit us all are God's righteous laws as taught by Jesus Christ and these will shortly come into full force. It's small wonder then that God wants us all to know what is at stake if we ignore him or his son.

[Sebastian Toe]

....and very soon...

How many years have you been using this terminology Nick?
15 at least I reckon
So common sense tells us that another 15 years is not outwith your parameters.
Is it?

[Sebastian Toe]

We must beg to differ here as well.

You can't differ with common sense Nick.
And your pronouncements are at the opposite end of the spectrum to common sense.

[NicholasMarks]

What you must remember is that Almighty God is very real indeed and so is Jesus Christ.


OK provide the evidence to support that statement. The Bible is not evidence, as much of those collection of documents have nothing to substantiate the things they claim, especially the stuff, which defies any REAL science, not your inaccurate use of that term.

The many people who have found great comfort in Jesus Christ's word, is a scientific principle that has repeated itself over and over and over again...over many generations...and is the subject matter of all iniquity...of all righteousness...and, now, all science.

Don't forget that this planet is just a dot in a massive universe that is full of science...full of many other populations and full of an all knowing God.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

The many people who have found great comfort in Jesus Christ's word, is a scientific principle that has repeated itself over and over and over again...over many generations...and is the subject matter of all iniquity...of all righteousness...and, now, all science.

Don't forget that this planet is just a dot in a massive universe that is full of science...full of many other populations and full of an all knowing God.

Do you think that your all knowing God might have a quiet word with you about , say, not seeing stars because if "pollution"?

[NicholasMarks]

You can't differ with common sense Nick.
And your pronouncements are at the opposite end of the spectrum to common sense.

Your another who doesn't realise that this universe isn't just designed for the use of the spiteful, the greedy and the selfish...and there are indeed other universal forces who are committed to restoring this planet to Almighty God's righteous demands...and, it seems, at the same time of a great global catastrophe...which will seal the deal.

Your salvation is what is at stake.



 

[NicholasMarks]

Do you think that your all knowing God might have a quiet word with you about , say, not seeing stars because if "pollution"?

Sneering and scoffing has long been a trick to ridicule those with unpalatable but necessary contributions for humanity. All it means is that when the truth dawns on you it will be new to you whilst those looking at the evidence will already have a plan of action. Mine will be to put all my trust and faith in Jesus Christ because he notified us of these great tribulations that will come upon us all and told us how to deal with it all.