The Living-Cell

[torridon]

I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...we are surrounded by an invisible energy...it is the same energy that, in its densest form, created all galaxies, stars, and subsequently, all life. Almighty God, himself, is a living manifestation of all this energy and is its living voice. Jesus Christ taught us how to harness this energy, how to reattach ourselves to its soothing, calming, refreshing, repairing forces, and they, our Deity, are especially concerned because the great tribulations are pressing heavier upon us now, daily. Repentance is our best course of action...defiance will have its own, unwanted, reward.

If that was one gift, what was the second gift ?

[Roses]

I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...we are surrounded by an invisible energy...it is the same energy that, in its densest form, created all galaxies, stars, and subsequently, all life. Almighty God, himself, is a living manifestation of all this energy and is its living voice. Jesus Christ taught us how to harness this energy, how to reattach ourselves to its soothing, calming, refreshing, repairing forces, and they, our Deity, are especially concerned because the great tribulations are pressing heavier upon us now, daily. Repentance is our best course of action...defiance will have its own, unwanted, reward.

You can say it again and again until you are blue in the face, no one is taking you seriously because you are talking absolute nonsense. It is you who needs to read what the Bible actually says, not what you imagine it to be saying. I have come across many people in my 68 years who claim they are messengers from god, in reality and on forums. If they are really passing on messages from god it isn't choosing its representatives very wisely, as like yourself they have no credibility whatsoever.

[Gordon]

I'll say it again, in case some of you are hard of hearing...according to the Holy Bible...

I think your dependence on the Bible, and in attributing to it what it doesn't contain, is where you are going wrong. Nick.

I suggest you try some proper science books on cosmology etc instead of continuing to misuse the Christian Bible (which is not a science book).

[SteveH]

Here's an idea - everyone else stop posting to this thread, and before long NM will run out of things to say with no-one to reply to, and the thread will die a long-overdue death.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.

Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.

If you want to tell yourself that you're "under righteous instruction" to do something, that's a matter for you.

What I actually did though was to explain at some length that as your claims have none of the characteristics necessary to meet the definition of the term "science", you cannot call them science. That you have just ignored the problem does not do you credit.

[Harrowby Hall]

... of continuing to misuse the Christian Bible ....

I was under the impression that Nick uses the New World Translation.  If this is so, then is it not questionable as to whether this is actually Christian?

[jeremyp]

Who instructed you?
Because whoever it was, God it was not.
If you accept the Christ who is Truth - even if you dispute His nature; your abject failure to provide even a scrap of evidence that can be examined or debated debases your message, negates your claim, and insults the Gospel you claim to cherish.
Sorry, NM, you are a false witness - and if you have in any way read the New Testament, you will note that Paul, James, John, Peter, the writer of Hebrews and Christ Himself made their feelings abundantly clear as false witnesses are concerned.

Can we hold "real" Christians to the same standard?

[Anchorman]

Can we hold "real" Christians to the same standard?

I'd hope so, yes.
If I can't find evidence - Biblical or otherwise - to back up my position, I hope I'd be honest enough to say
"I don't know"
Yhat's the faith thing.
I trust God - who does know, when I don't.
But if I see stuff which is patently rubbish, or not in scriptures, but argued as if it were, then I'm perfectly happy to jump in, in the hope that the person making the point will bring evidence to back it up.
In NM's case, this has not, as yet, happened, but I live in hope.

[SweetPea]

What I have done is delivered the two gifts from Almighty God that I was under righteous instruction to deliver...so that you will all have a fighting chance against the Biblical Revelation that is creeping up on us all and which requires this science, or Jesus Christ's accurate 'word' for anyone to succeed through it all, as long as we don't delay in our repentance any longer.

Righteousness is only living as we should be anyway with some wonderful promises thrown in.

Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/  Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.

I know how you like youtube videos, here is an excellent series on Daniel's 70 week Prophecy:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2GySzv1YNgEVHxP8oWxsguDtkJfD8sBI

Both sources show the lie of futuristic dispensationalism that was introduced first by John Darby then later Scofield who marketed this teaching. The apostles' teachings completely and utterly reject it.

[Anchorman]

Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/  Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.

I know how you like youtube videos, here is an excellent series on Daniel's 70 week Prophecy:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2GySzv1YNgEVHxP8oWxsguDtkJfD8sBI

Both sources show the lie of futuristic   dispensationalism that was introduced first by John Darby then later Scofield who marketed this teaching. The apostles' teachings completely and utterly reject it.

SweetPea;
Yes.
Much of Revalation is couched in apocalyptic language - but deals, not in far flung future events - which will, of course, include Christ's return, but in the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor.
That does not negate its' value as scripture, nor, indeed, prophesy - after all a prophet was not some mystic Meg who foretold the future, but someone used by God who spoke the truth.
I well remember the Good News Bible books being sold as separate individual pocket sized paperbacks. Revelation took up fifty pages.
Underneath it, by coincidence - or not - were several tomes on the book, each of several hundred pages, and the largest of over six hundred.
It's an immensly complex book, and only a great immersion in first century history, a good knowledge of similar works of the time, and a working knowledge of Scriptural apocalyptic books w
helps a real interpretation.
I barely scratch the surface, even when I use Revelation when preaching - as I have done.
To conflate Revelation with modern science, and throw in a corrupt translation to boot, does not do justice to the book.
Maranatha!

[NicholasMarks]

Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.

[Gordon]

Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.

For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.

[NicholasMarks]

For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.

I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.

[Alan Burns]

Nicholas, this website is one of the best I've come across on Revelation: http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/  Read the introduction first and then scroll down for detailed analysis of the scripture on the right-hand side of the page.

This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations.  The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.

I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article.  The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[Gordon]

I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.

I think you can risk it, Nick: we're all adults here and I'm sure we can cope: so just go ahead and tell us in plain simple language what these two 'gifts' are.

Unless of course you're just teasing us all.

[Anchorman]

I have to consider the consequences of what I say and it is sufficient to say, for the moment, what I have already said. Jesus Christ is the very best way to embrace those gifts, quietly, calmly, and with solid guidance.

The source of thos gifts, NM?
Are you on about the charisma?
Careful - because if you go down that road, youll have to admit that the source is the Holy Spirit, third Person of the Triune God....which throws a bucket of cold electric spiritual goo over your mistranslation of 'dynamic energy', which is the JW's fraudulent mistranslation of Scripture to get round the fact that Scripture clearly ascribes a personhood to Him.

[Anchorman]

This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations.  The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.

I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article.  The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!

Matthew 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

There's a regrettable tendency amongst certain evangelical authors to regard the Roman Church as the enemy.
This is nonsense, ofcourse.
Certainly in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries,it WS the enemy, as it was both venal and corrupt, and intetrfered in state politics in Europe....as has been admitted by many RC scholars.
I don't accept a lot of Roman doctrine - but I do regard them as fellow Christians - after all, there is but One body.
No denomination is perfect - certainly not mine - because no individuals are perfect.
I use 'Roman', here, not as an insult, because my own church,like that of Rome, subscribes to the Apostles' Creed, a line of which states;
"I believe in one Holy Catholic Church"
"Catholic" simply meaning "Universal".

[NicholasMarks]

As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.

Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.

[torridon]

Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.

Well that was as clear as mud.

If I end up heading for some fiery lake I'm blaming Sparkalot for making the clear incomprehensible.

[ippy]

Right from post 433 on this thread, what a load of old superstitionist woo, pathetic.

To think there are still adults believing in this sort of stuff?

ippy

[Anchorman]

As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.

Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.

Eh?
You have read Paul's Corinthian letters?#The gifta of the Spirit - the charisma - are not confined to emotional babies, NM.  God's Holy Spirit - God in action in the world - is the giver and channel for those gifts. He - and any reading of any accurate Bible translation will tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Persin - is the one doing the giving, and teaching us how to use the gifts He gives.
I'm not talking about tongues her - had you ever read 1 or 2 Corinthians, you'd realise that the charisma are fare more practical and mundane, - but obviously you have not.

[Roses]

As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him. The corrupt are only too willing to be heavy handed against us all, never mind the righteous.

Charisma is only available to those who feast off the emotional strength of others. The true Christian wears their emotional strength on the inside, and, by righteous law, uses it to repair by, and worship our saviour and his father with...before using it to guide our every step....You see, why, then, it is wise to read the Holy Bible...you get clues to every manifestation of life...good and bad...but it's up to us to choose righteousness and be saved else be unprepared for the consequences as expressed in Revelation.

You are the deliverer of nothing but fanciful garbage!

[Sebastian Toe]

As the deliverer of these gifts, I suggest that I decide how best to feed those gifts into our doctrine. Jesus had a very limited time and look what happened to him.

But Nick, aren't we in the end times?
Isn't it all going to kick off, "soon"?
If that is accurately the case, then shouldn't you be offloading this knowlege immediately and without delay?

Unless of course you are privvy the the actual day and the hour?
Are you, Nick?

Because if you are not, then delaying the dissemination of this really, really important knowledge that you are currently holding back, even by minutes, would be a crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

Nick?

[NicholasMarks]

Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.

If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.

 

[Roses]

Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.

If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.

The definition of 'righteousness is:- the quality of being morally right or justifiable.

synonyms:
goodness, virtue, virtuousness, uprightness, decency, integrity, worthiness, rectitude, probity, morality, ethicalness, high-mindedness, justice, honesty, honour, honourableness, innocence, blamelessness, guiltlessness, irreproachability, sinlessness, saintliness, purity, nobility, noble-mindedness, piety, piousness
"the successful are always tempted to regard their success as a reward for righteousness"
Your fanciful nonsense doesn't tick any of those boxes, imo.

People have been claiming for centuries that the elusive 'end times' were imminent. Even Jesus thought they would happen in the lifetime of his disciples. If he couldn't get it right, who can? This planet will cease to be one day, but I very much doubt it will be a 'second coming' event.