The Living-Cell

[ippy]

Because I am following righteousness...as closely as I'm able...I believe that the timing and the teaching are at the behest of Almighty God and Jesus Christ...therefore, you get it at their speed and in their revealing...I'm merely a cog in the wheel. The most important thing you will ever learn is that all around us, all of the time, is a wonderful, invisible energy that we can harness and harvest for the purpose of righteousness, which is made manifest entirely within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. I have to say 'accurate' continually, because iniquity has devised their own version which leads nowhere. Accuracy comes from sifting out iniquity from the truth and reveals everything Jesus said it would. Accuracy is also the hall-mark behind a science...in this case, a wonderful, righteous science.

If you think Paul was saying that pop-stars, film-stars, and various other charismatics are God-like, Anchorman, I suggest you should read him again.

When making yourself look ridiculous Nick, you couldn't be more accurate, any one of your many postings, take your pick, are extremely accurate at showing how much inconsequential ludicrous nonsense you can pack into any one of your far too many idiotic, and plainly silly outpourings.

Your understanding of righteousness is permanently stuck at a pre teenage level and as yet you still haven't found a way of substantiating the truth of any single part of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of this bible of yours.

Your posts only consist of stupid sounding waffle and sometimes laughable bollocks.

Your posts are also, if they weren't so stupid, very insulting to people that don't share your rather strange ideas about religion I'm not a religious believing individual but do however care about my fellow person and try in general to to do good and be as kind as I can when and where ever I can, and as for your stupid lake of sulphur and the rest of your delusional believings doesn't your beloved book say something about not judging others?

I've yet to see you write anything that sounds as though it comes from an every day somewhere near normal Joe, your writing style badly needs revision, you need to realise you're not Moses, yes the one in your book, looking down and laying out the law, you're an ordinary person just like the rest of us we're all struggling to get by.     

Regards ippy   

[SweetPea]

SweetPea;
Yes.
Much of Revalation is couched in apocalyptic language - but deals, not in far flung future events - which will, of course, include Christ's return, but in the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor.
That does not negate its' value as scripture, nor, indeed, prophesy - after all a prophet was not some mystic Meg who foretold the future, but someone used by God who spoke the truth.
I well remember the Good News Bible books being sold as separate individual pocket sized paperbacks. Revelation took up fifty pages.
Underneath it, by coincidence - or not - were several tomes on the book, each of several hundred pages, and the largest of over six hundred.
It's an immensly complex book, and only a great immersion in first century history, a good knowledge of similar works of the time, and a working knowledge of Scriptural apocalyptic books w
helps a real interpretation.
I barely scratch the surface, even when I use Revelation when preaching - as I have done.
To conflate Revelation with modern science, and throw in a corrupt translation to boot, does not do justice to the book.
Maranatha!

Hello Jim

Great to hear you even approach Revelation in your sermons and better still if you can guide folk away from the doctrine of futurism explaining it's roots..... very few ministers would even consider touching the subject. Most certainly Revelation is talking about the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor as can be evidenced in history.

Also, in your reply to Alan.... many think that referring to 'the Catholic Church' means only the 'Roman' Catholic Church but as you say 'Catholic' means universal.

[SweetPea]

This is a very interesting take on the book of revelation, but this book is so complex and open to so many different interpretations that it can be dangerous to place too much emphasis on various interpretations.  The Gospels should always be used as the foundation of our Christian faith.

I felt very disturbed by the anti Catholic rhetoric contained in this article.  The Roman Catholic church has certainly been the target for attacks from the enemy, both from inside infiltrators and from outside the church, and continues to be so - but it is not the enemy itself!

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hello Alan

The Roman Catholic worshippers (as yourself) are good people as many of the clergy..... my now deceased cousin was a RC priest and a wonderful man. But the enemy within the RCC is the Jesuits. Have you ever read the Jesuit Oath.... quite bone chilling. Also, the 'worship' of Mary is not right.... would you agree, or do you see what I mean? Then the Vatican itself..... all those riches? If you look further, the Vatican today wealds a great power. You will find it finances Israel. Spirituality expresses itself through symbolism and there is some quite disturbing symbolism amongst the décor inside the Vatican.

Having said all this, as I say, RCC worshippers as yourself mean only to follower the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is so often the hierarchy in any denomination that can be at fault.

[SweetPea]

My apologies to Nicholas for taking this thread off course.

[Alan Burns]

Hello Alan

The Roman Catholic worshippers (as yourself) are good people as many of the clergy..... my now deceased cousin was a RC priest and a wonderful man. But the enemy within the RCC is the Jesuits. Have you ever read the Jesuit Oath.... quite bone chilling. Also, the 'worship' of Mary is not right.... would you agree, or do you see what I mean? Then the Vatican itself..... all those riches? If you look further, the Vatican today wealds a great power. You will find it finances Israel. Spirituality expresses itself through symbolism and there is some quite disturbing symbolism amongst the décor inside the Vatican.

Having said all this, as I say, RCC worshippers as yourself mean only to follower the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is so often the hierarchy in any denomination that can be at fault.

Hi SweatPea,

Many people seem to misunderstand the role of Mary within our church.  We do not worship Mary - that would be considered a sin of Blasphemy.  All power comes from God, and Mary has the role of intercessor between us and God.  We ask Mary to help us in our prayers, and as she did in the miracle of Cana, she can be very effective.  Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).

[Gordon]

Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).

That sounds awfully like the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, Alan - especially when claimed by those who are already predisposed towards the notion of divine intervention in response to prayer (such as the author of the article you linked to).

Do you think there could be other reasons why the battle turned out as it did?

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

Both gifts are embodied in the science...but as it is too advanced for you all, I suggest that you seek out and follow, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching knowing that you are living that science which is also those two gifts which I will describe here in Almighty God's words...He said...and I quote...what will be their two greatest needs if they haven't listened?....to which I replied...and He said....These are the two gifts you will take with you.

You have no science for the reason I explained to you and you have continued to ignore: the term “science” has a definition, and that definition requires various characteristics to be present – clarity of terms used, hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsifiability, publication, peer review etc.

Your various claims have none of these characteristics, which is why ipso facto whatever it is that you think you’re asserting cannot be science.

Thus there are two options here:   

1. You do have access to these features only for some reason you choose not to tell anyone what they are, preferring instead hyperbole, bad poetry and unqualified assertion; or

2. You’re a fantasist.

Simply avoiding the problem with various diversionary tactics (“read your holy Bible”, “the Bible says there’d be mockers”, “it’s all too complicated for you” etc) merely serves to expose your charlatanism.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).

You once told me that you think about things, yet this effort and the dimwittedness of the writer you linked to suggest otherwise. How on earth did you (and she) jump from, “Event A was unlikely but desirable to me, I prayed for event A to happen, event A happened” to, “therefore the prayers worked”?

How did you know that “event A” wouldn’t have happened anyway (as unlikely events often do)?

What comparison have you made of the ratio between prayed for events that happened and prayed for events that didn’t happen so as to know that praying isn’t statistically irrelevant?

What makes you think that you know better than a “god of the omnis” who had already decided on the proper course of events but then changed His mind in response to your genuflections and propitiations?

How would you reconcile your confidence in the effectiveness of praying to your god with the fact of unlikely prayed for events happening when people of different faiths did the praying to their gods, especially when the outcomes suited their religions and not yours?

When I was a schoolboy I used to tell myself that if I didn’t step on the cracks in the pavement all the way home my favourite tea of egg and chips would be waiting for me when I got there, and sometimes it was. According to your reasoning, does this mean that I discovered a hitherto unknown divine power of avoiding the cracks in the pavement?

Why not? 

[jeremyp]

For crying out loud, Nick, just tell us in clear language: gift 1 is '?' and gift 2 is '?'.

A cuddly toy and an infrared grill

[Anchorman]

Hello Jim

Great to hear you even approach Revelation in your sermons and better still if you can guide folk away from the doctrine of futurism explaining it's roots..... very few ministers would even consider touching the subject. Most certainly Revelation is talking about the events facing the Church in late first century Asia Minor as can be evidenced in history.

Also, in your reply to Alan.... many think that referring to 'the Catholic Church' means only the 'Roman' Catholic Church but as you say 'Catholic' means universal.

Yes. John, presumably the writer of Revelation, wrote about the 'abundant life' Christ, the Good Shepherd offersus. (John 10, 1-16 and following)
That 'abundant life' - better translated as "life in all its' fullness' starts, as I understand it, the second we accept Christ for who He is and accept Him to be 'in us' as we are 'in Him ' - in other words, part of us.
Not at some time in the future, nor after we snuff it, but now.
If we are 'in Christ', then whatever the future - and the parousia - we need not panic; just share, simply and honestly, without embellishing the Gospel with pseudoscientific garbage or neo-Gnostic stuff which simply is not there.

[SweetPea]

Hi SweatPea,

Many people seem to misunderstand the role of Mary within our church.  We do not worship Mary - that would be considered a sin of Blasphemy.  All power comes from God, and Mary has the role of intercessor between us and God.  We ask Mary to help us in our prayers, and as she did in the miracle of Cana, she can be very effective.  Praying the rosary is a very powerful prayer which has produced amazing results both in my personal life and in past historical events (such as the battle of Lepanto -
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/kschiffer/the-pope-the-rosary-and-the-battle-of-lepanto).

Hi again, Alan.... yes, I understand that, that's why I put 'worship' in commas. I won't continue this discussion here as it's derailing Nicholas's thread..... whether anyone agrees with him or not.

[SweetPea]

Yes. John, presumably the writer of Revelation, wrote about the 'abundant life' Christ, the Good Shepherd offersus. (John 10, 1-16 and following)
That 'abundant life' - better translated as "life in all its' fullness' starts, as I understand it, the second we accept Christ for who He is and accept Him to be 'in us' as we are 'in Him ' - in other words, part of us.
Not at some time in the future, nor after we snuff it, but now.
If we are 'in Christ', then whatever the future - and the parousia - we need not panic; just share, simply and honestly, without embellishing the Gospel with pseudoscientific garbage or neo-Gnostic stuff which simply is not there.

Jim.... absolutely!

Just let 'stuff' go (which is the hardest part) and Trust, trust... again not always easy but if we can, Christ is right there.... and there is a strength that nothing can take away. It acts also as a protection.

Many Blessings, brother in Christ.

[Roses]

Hi again, Alan.... yes, I understand that, that's why I put 'worship' in commas. I won't continue this discussion here as it's derailing Nicholas's thread..... whether anyone agrees with him or not.

It needs derailing that is for sure.

[Alan Burns]

Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.
 

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.

There's a lot of reification from both, but they seem to be well-intentioned at least.

[ippy]

Amen to the recent posts from SweatPea and Jim - well said.
 

Yes, wow, they were both earth shattering really much needed observations that will doubtless add to the lives of so many of us.

Regards ippy and of course commiserations to you Alan.

[NicholasMarks]

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

[torridon]

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

I think you should make that apology, for example for consistently making false claims, as in the above example, claiming to use scientific language when clearly you aren't.

[Roses]

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

Here we go again, as you have been told so many times by different posters, the Bible is not about science! You appear to have no idea what that word actually means. It certainly doesn't apply to your fanciful nonsense.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

I've explained to you twice now using plain language why whatever it is that you think you're asserting cannot be called "science": in short, it lacks any of the characteristics or properties necessary to meet the definition of that term. Why do you keep ignoring the problem you've given yourself? 

[Roses]

NM,

I've explained to you twice now using plain language why whatever it is that you think you're asserting cannot be called "science": in short, it lacks any of the characteristics or properties necessary to meet the definition of that term. Why do you keep ignoring the problem you've given yourself?

Sadly NM doesn't appear to live in the real world, just one of his own creation, which is why he appears to be unable to see how daft his posts appear to others.

[Anchorman]

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

   



There is NO code in Scripture, NM.
That is going down the road of the Gnostic.
No secrets, no mystery.
What you see in the New Testament is what you get.
I know you're trying to peddle neo-Gnosticism based on the existing Scriptures. You can't because there's nothing there to code.
Why not turn to the spurious Gnostic stuff written in the third to fifth centuries - OK, nothing to do with Scripture or, for that matter, Christ - but, hey, there's enough code, 'science' and mystery there to satisfy you.
It won't be Christian, or anything like it - but, then,. niether is your 'science'.

[Sebastian Toe]

To recognise that a science is coded into the accurate teaching of the Holy Bible especially in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ when all modern science has ruled God out of the equation requires a scientific eye. To build a wonderful science that incorporates modern science with a single, superabundant, energy, that has always been, and always will be, is a scientific feat which is, currently out of reach of modern science, yet all the clues are already exposed to them. A science leads to truth of the point under analysis and here that point is the truth in Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...using a scientific language that all of Almighty God's subjects and none -subjects can understand...I make no apologies on this point...that Almighty God and Jesus Christ are the lead-scientists over the entire universe.

This post must hold the record for the number of times the word "science" had been incorrectly and unnecessarily used.

Common sense tells us that, Nick.

[jjohnjil]

Don't you guys ever get that 'Banging your head against a brick wall feeling'?

[Roses]

Don't you guys ever get that 'Banging your head against a brick wall feeling'?

Yes. If I had any sense I would ignore this thread altogether, but NM's posts are so gobsmackingly silly, the temptation to tell him so is usually too great.