The Living-Cell

[NicholasMarks]

The Bible says none of that.  Bible authors knew nothing of black holes or cosmic inflation or galaxies.  The sky is referred to as a 'firmament', heavens fixed above a flat Earth.  There is no evidence that any of these people, Jesus included, understood that the stars were enormous nuclear furnaces or that the sky continued underneath the Earth.

We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.

[torridon]

We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.

Just as deeply flawed and spurious as the previous post from you.  Why try to justify one bucketload of drivel with another bucketload of baseless drivel.  You are a time waster.

[NicholasMarks]

Just as deeply flawed and spurious as the previous post from you.  Why try to justify one bucketload of drivel with another bucketload of baseless drivel.  You are a time waster.

You are in denial...it is a regular fault of those with closed minds. The truth is so scientifically obvious for all to see. The universe is much bigger and older than could have been perceived in Jesus Christ's day. Evidence of other universal races of much greater scientific intellect abounds. The fact that Jesus taught us about a scientific property that is invisible, and indestructable, a long time before ether, or dark matter, were scientific by-words....so, there we have it....an open mind releases us from the brain-cramps that stifle our thinking and our health, and which renders us unfit for the new heavens and the new Earth, with the everlasting science that Jesus Christ and Almighty God introduced us to.

[Anchorman]

A star doesn't work in isolation...it works along with many other stars, all apparently swirling around a black-hole and these all give us clues to how all the atoms and in particular, the part-atoms were born...You see...if we roll out all the energy contained within the Milky Way into its purest form we would still have a huge dense cloud, of light-year proportions, which consisted of one property and one property alone...a material that is mass-less until, that is, it is spun-up into a swirling field of dynamic energy, travelling at the speed of the expanding universe...and then we get science...a way of explaining everything that happened before hand and everything that has happened since...and it's greatest clues, like it or lump it, are all revealed through the Holy Bible. 

   
Rubbish.
I'm no astronomer, but even I know that;
1) not all stars are paet of galactic clusters;
and
2) Not all galactic clusters are spirals, nor do they revolve round black holes.
Some may, but science - you remember science, don't you? has not and cannot as yet prove that all galactic clusters which have spirals are centred round black holes.
Since this is the state of our knowledge at present, after the first sentence of your post, which is wrong, the rest can be dismissed without reading it....so I haven't read it.

[Anchorman]

We would have to agree to differ on that point...easily provable...because if Jesus wasn't of this world then he was of another world and this implies many things, in particular, that he knew a lot more about the universe than you give him credit. This is why, at these perilous times we should take him very seriously indeed...because the great tribulations we are facing now have been experienced by other, life supporting planets,and the only way to salvation from it all is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus.

Another world?
Hell's bells....Kolob?
Surely not Kolob?

[NicholasMarks]

Another world?
Hell's bells....Kolob?
Surely not Kolob?

Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.

[Shaker]

Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...

Correct in at least one case, and I don't think it was Jesus.

[Gordon]

Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.

I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.

[NicholasMarks]

Correct in at least one case, and I don't think it was Jesus.

Coming back to the part-atom that created living-cells we must embrace a hidden force. A force that science is unable to unravel but is clearly contained within the Holy Bible. A superabundant material, which, in its purest form, is both, invisible, and indestructible...it has always been and always will be. Almighty God is the living voice of all that energy...It made Almighty God himself and Jesus lived by the righteous laws that created Almighty God and this is why he was offered equal status to God...which he declined...knowing that there could only, ever, be, One, True God...owner and absolute, scientific representative of all the 'dynamic energy' in the entire universe, with a son, who is, in God's eyes, equal status, but in the son's eyes, a servant of his father.

Now...the important thing here is that we too can be part of that science...that is if we follow the example of God's son...accurately.

[Anchorman]

Jesus Christ, not me, said...I am not of this world...had I have been that many of God's servants would have risen in my defense.

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

You see...when we are reading a scientific document such as the Holy Bible we must be prepared to pick up little clues which tell us so much truth...and from using this Holy-Book we can lift ourselves out of our brain-cramps which propaganda and emotional mal-practice ensure we become entrapped by...My words...Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.



 

   



Oh, look, you CAN read stuff other than Revelation.
By the way, it isn't "science" - it's Scripture.
Oh, and try reading it in context, NM....and since you're quoting John, you'll accept what John wrote....Jesus claiming to be God?
Or are you being selective in your misrepresentation, NM?
Remember John is a theological treatise...."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God"....that Word became Incarnate as "The Light of men"; we saw Him, "Full of grace and Truth"....That's John chapter 1, NM. It identifies Jesus as God. Not in any way, shape or form separate from God, but God.
It also shows Christ had NO origin...."In the beginning" does not mean Nabiru, Kolob, Qo'nos (That's the Klingon homeworld, by the way) Gallifrey or Mondas.
It means that there was no point of o9rigin for Christ - the Word, God Incarnate.
As Paul puts it in Colossians, He was there before the beginning - before there was any world to belong to.
Basic Christian theology 101.

[NicholasMarks]

I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.

That's a shame because when I say follow Jesus Christ, accurately, I am saying it with the same love for mankind that Jesus died showing us...which includes the science of resurrection...and that affects us all in a very deep and meaningful way.

[Anchorman]

That's a shame because when I say follow Jesus Christ, accurately, I am saying it with the same love for mankind that Jesus died showing us...which includes the science of resurrection...and that affects us all in a very deep and meaningful way.

 



There is no science of resurrection.
If you can show me any verse in Scripture - any verse at all - which has 'science' and 'resurrection' in the same sentence, I'll eat a dynamic energy sandwich.

[Maeght]

I'm taking SteveH's advice: it is a waste of my time responding to this type of flagrant bilge, Nick, since it only encourages you. So I've decided not to bother any more.

Join the gang.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

Coming back to the part-atom that created living-cells we must embrace a hidden force. A force that science is unable to unravel but is clearly contained within the Holy Bible. A superabundant material, which, in its purest form, is both, invisible, and indestructible...it has always been and always will be. Almighty God is the living voice of all that energy...It made Almighty God himself and Jesus lived by the righteous laws that created Almighty God and this is why he was offered equal status to God...which he declined...knowing that there could only, ever, be, One, True God...owner and absolute, scientific representative of all the 'dynamic energy' in the entire universe, with a son, who is, in God's eyes, equal status, but in the son's eyes, a servant of his father.

Now...the important thing here is that we too can be part of that science...that is if we follow the example of God's son...accurately.

Still no science then. If ever you do feel like posting something that contains the components necessary for that term (hypothesis, evidence, testing, theory, falsifiability, publication, peer review etc) let me know. Until then, I'll leave you to your fantabulism and delusions.

[NicholasMarks]

Revelation 22:1-2

1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.

[Roses]

I am also taking Steve's advice where this thread is concerned. If we all stopped responding to NM's daft nonsense, after a while even he might get the message!

[Anchorman]

Revelation 22:1-2

1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.

The quoted text is not science.
As a matter of fact, most scolars don't see it as prophesy, either....many see allegory there, which, given Revelation as a whole, would not be unsual.
I'm sure if you look at the number 12 quoted there, you'll see why.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

Revelation 22:1-2

1. And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2. down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

It is God's 'dynamic energy'. It made all the stars and all the atoms when in its densest form, and is the same energy that, its purest form, is Biblically listed as above. It is all around us all the time...it is the same property that extends across space to Heaven...it is the repairing force of all the nations...because we can all attach ourselves to it in a righteous way...and reap its finest fruits...providing we drop our hostility towards it, asap.

President "Bobby": Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?

[Long pause]

Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.

President "Bobby": In the garden.

Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.

President "Bobby": Spring and summer.

Chance the Gardener: Yes.

President "Bobby": Then fall and winter.

Chance the Gardener: Yes.

Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the seasons of our economy.

Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!

Benjamin Rand: Hmm!

Chance the Gardener: Hmm!

President "Bobby": Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.

[Benjamin Rand applauds]

President "Bobby": I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.

(“Being There”, 1979)

[NicholasMarks]

There are two ways to absorb Jesus Christ's teaching...either we listen to others and ignore what Jesus says, relying on others to tell us...else we realise that Jesus, himself, was teaching us something very valuable indeed, then scrutinize what Jesus actually said...You then begin to get the feel behind his teaching, and how, when Almighty God says...In the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' was with God, and the 'word ' was God...and the 'word of God was the light of the world...he is making a statement of scientific fact...That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems, as well...especially on the point of resurrection, a part of God's science that Jesus embraced to the max...telling us that if we followed him, we to, would never die. It can only be done by the spiritual mechanics of righteousness and for that we need Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...not the machinations of Satan or iniquity.

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

There are two ways to absorb Jesus Christ's teaching...either we listen to others and ignore what Jesus says, relying on others to tell us...else we realise that Jesus, himself, was teaching us something very valuable indeed, then scrutinize what Jesus actually said...You then begin to get the feel behind his teaching, and how, when Almighty God says...In the beginning was the 'word' and that 'word' was with God, and the 'word ' was God...and the 'word of God was the light of the world...he is making a statement of scientific fact...That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems, as well...especially on the point of resurrection, a part of God's science that Jesus embraced to the max...telling us that if we followed him, we to, would never die. It can only be done by the spiritual mechanics of righteousness and for that we need Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...not the machinations of Satan or iniquity.

Still no science then, for the reason I've explained several times now and you keep ignoring: none of your assertions contain any of the characteristics necessary for that term to apply. 

Why do you keep ignoring your problem?

[NicholasMarks]

NM,

Still no science then, for the reason I've explained several times now and you keep ignoring: none of your assertions contain any of the characteristics necessary for that term to apply. 

Why do you keep ignoring your problem?

Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property,
and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NM,

Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property, and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.

I don’t doubt that you believe all that to be true. Your problem though remains that you claim for these unqualified assertions the status of science, and you cannot do that until and unless you manage to provide any of the characteristics or properties necessary to satisfy the definition of that term. Just saying as you do, “X is science because I say it’s science” takes you not one nanometre in that direction.

This isn’t a problem either of “bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time”. Rather it’s a problem of your abject failure to provide even a scintilla of an iota of a smidgen of a scrap of a trace of a jot of a mite of anything that could be described even remotely as scientific.

Do you see the problem you’ve given yourself now? 

[Anchorman]

Almighty God saw it necessary to write his science in code so that everyone who valued righteousness could embrace his science (word) without bothering too much with anything as boring as scrutinizing every minute detail over very long periods of time whilst satanic forces just ploughed through honesty and decency with barbs and aggression throughout the entire history of science. Identifying a single property,
and its mechanics, that gives us all sciences, may be inconsequential to you but it wont stop the science from working or from being the only salvation on offer when unspecified great tribulations strike this planet...and you are forced to confess that Jesus Christ was right after-all...Don't leave it too late.

There is NO code in Scripture.
None.
Such a notion is Gnostic and is not Christian.
Simples.

[Dicky Underpants]

That in the beginning Almighty God broke the hidden code of nature...it provided him with answers to all of life's problems, and the answers to all universal problems, 

You mean God didn't already know - he actually had to find out?

So you're saying that there was a nature already there, and God comes wandering along (possibly from Kolob) and sets to work to break "the hidden code" of something already created? Are you, in your own poetic way, positing the 'Steady State' theory of the universe?

[Dicky Underpants]

NM,

President "Bobby": Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?

[Long pause]

Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.

President "Bobby": In the garden.

Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.

President "Bobby": Spring and summer.

Chance the Gardener: Yes.

President "Bobby": Then fall and winter.

Chance the Gardener: Yes.

Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the seasons of our economy.

Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!

Benjamin Rand: Hmm!

Chance the Gardener: Hmm!

President "Bobby": Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.

[Benjamin Rand applauds]

President "Bobby": I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.

(“Being There”, 1979)

If only Nicholas were so succinct.