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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #200 on: September 04, 2018, 01:20:40 PM »

Ok...lets leave it at that then.

I am glad there are some people like Moody, Tucker, Parnia.... and their numbers are growing...thankfully.

Cheers.

I think you'll find, if you look hard enough, there's still a few Zeus followers too Sriram.

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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #201 on: September 04, 2018, 02:04:52 PM »
I think you'll find, if you look hard enough, there's still a few Zeus followers too Sriram.

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Also, lots of flat Earth believers as well.
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« Reply #202 on: September 04, 2018, 02:45:24 PM »
Also, lots of flat Earth believers as well.
The Earth could of course actually be flat and it could be that supernatural forces are hiding this fact from most of us, not of course the Flat-Earthers, who can see beyond those mystical elements!
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #203 on: September 04, 2018, 04:23:43 PM »
The Earth could of course actually be flat and it could be that supernatural forces are hiding this fact from most of us, not of course the Flat-Earthers, who can see beyond those mystical elements!

What about us Zeus followers?

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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #204 on: September 04, 2018, 04:33:53 PM »
What about us Zeus followers?

Regards ippy.
You must be living in a bubble.
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #205 on: September 04, 2018, 08:47:40 PM »
You must be living in a bubble.

I might be, I might not  :P

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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #206 on: September 05, 2018, 05:40:16 AM »

Not to mention these others, to name a few.....

Thomas Huxley has written...

"In the doctrine of transmigration, whatever its origin, Brahmanical and Buddhist speculation found, ready to hand, the means of constructing a plausible vindication of the ways of the Cosmos to man....yet this plea of justification is not less plausible than others; and none but very hasty thinkers will reject it on the ground of inherent absurdity. Like the doctrine of evolution itself, that of transmigration has its roots in the world of reality; and it may claim such support as the great argument from analogy is capable of supplying".

Henry Ford......

"I adopted the theory of Reincarnation when I was twenty six. Religion offered nothing to the point. Even work could not give me complete satisfaction. Work is futile if we cannot utilise the experience we collect in one life in the next. When I discovered Reincarnation it was as if I had found a universal plan I realised that there was a chance to work out my ideas. Time was no longer limited. I was no longer a slave to the hands of the clock. Genius is experience. Some seem to think that it is a gift or talent, but it is the fruit of long experience in many lives. Some are older souls than others, and so they know more. The discovery of Reincarnation put my mind at ease. If you preserve a record of this conversation, write it so that it puts men’s minds at ease. I would like to communicate to others the calmness that the long view of life gives to us".

There have been some sensible wise people after all!

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« Reply #207 on: September 05, 2018, 06:33:38 AM »
Neither of whom had, like us, the benefit of modern insights into what life is and how it works.

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« Reply #208 on: September 05, 2018, 06:50:45 AM »
Neither of whom had, like us, the benefit of modern insights into what life is and how it works.


Thomas Huxley was a scientist himself and one of the first to accept the Theory of Evolution. 


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« Reply #209 on: September 05, 2018, 07:18:38 AM »

Thomas Huxley was a scientist himself and one of the first to accept the Theory of Evolution.

Yes I know; I was surprised to find he believed in transmigration.  I don't know enough about him to know where that came from, seems paradoxical at first glance.

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« Reply #210 on: September 05, 2018, 09:29:44 AM »
I hold no view one way or the other about reincarnation, but Henry Ford is not a good person to quote on any subject, being, as he was, viciously anti-semitic. In any case, why is his opinion on a subject he was not an expert in any more valuable than mine or anyone else's?
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« Reply #211 on: September 05, 2018, 10:46:51 AM »
I hold no view one way or the other about reincarnation, but Henry Ford is not a good person to quote on any subject, being, as he was, viciously anti-semitic. In any case, why is his opinion on a subject he was not an expert in any more valuable than mine or anyone else's?
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #212 on: September 05, 2018, 10:49:21 AM »
Being anti semitic does not make you wrong about non-Jew related topics.
That was my first thought. The second was that somebody who built cars for a living has no more knowledge of reincarnation than any other doofus - it was just his opinion. What makes his worth quoting over that of my postman? Sriram is trying on an argument from authority here even though there's no authority to be had.

Ford accepted reincarnation - and? His expertise in building cars would be relevant if I was seeking advice on building cars, but his opinion on reincarnation means every bit as much as that of anyone else.
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« Reply #213 on: September 05, 2018, 11:15:11 AM »
That was my first thought. The second was that somebody who built cars for a living has no more knowledge of reincarnation than any other doofus - it was just his opinion. What makes his worth quoting over that of my postman? Sriram is trying on an argument from authority here even though there's no authority to be had.

Ford accepted reincarnation - and? His expertise in building cars would be relevant if I was seeking advice on building cars, but his opinion on reincarnation means every bit as much as that of anyone else.
My point exactly. His anti-semitism doesn't rule out his opinion on everything, as jeremyp says, but you wouldn't quote Hitler approvingly on any subject.
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #214 on: September 05, 2018, 11:22:26 AM »
In addition Ford is guilty of the consequences fallacy: "Work is futile if we cannot utilise the experience we collect in one life in the next." Well, what of it? Work may very well be futile then. Reincarnation doesn't become true because the absence of it is personally unappealing to you.
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« Reply #215 on: September 05, 2018, 01:05:05 PM »
My point exactly. His anti-semitism doesn't rule out his opinion on everything, as jeremyp says, but you wouldn't quote Hitler approvingly on any subject.
Ford is not Hitler and even if he was, there probably are some topics on which Hitler knew his stuff. He was a soldier throughout the First World War and was highly decorated, so he could probably give you some useful tips about surviving trench warfare.

Anyway, as Shaker says, Ford used the fallacy of adverse consequences.

I wonder if there should be a new fallacy: the fallacy of celebrity. The fallacy of celebrity occurs when you assume somebody who is a celebrity in one area of endeavour is automatically to be trusted when they talk about things outside their area of expertise. Examples would be Fred Hoyle pronouncing that aboigenesis is like a tornado in a junk yard constructing a 747, or Jenny McCarthy proclaiming vaccines are bad for you.
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #216 on: September 05, 2018, 01:21:54 PM »



Henry Ford may not be an expert on mystical matters...but mysticism or reincarnation or after-life... are not the sole prerogative of any 'experts' in the area.  They are not specialized areas of study. They are life philosophies that every individual can offer an opinion on.

Henry Ford being a person with a great engineering and technological mind....can be seen as a person unlikely otherwise to dabble in such matters. And being a famous person he might not comment on matters of a mystical nature unless he is really serious about them. Therefore his opinion does matter.

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« Reply #217 on: September 05, 2018, 01:48:19 PM »


Henry Ford may not be an expert on mystical matters...but mysticism or reincarnation or after-life... are not the sole prerogative of any 'experts' in the area.  They are not specialized areas of study. They are life philosophies that every individual can offer an opinion on.

Henry Ford being a person with a great engineering and technological mind....can be seen as a person unlikely otherwise to dabble in such matters. And being a famous person he might not comment on matters of a mystical nature unless he is really serious about them. Therefore his opinion does matter.

Presumably in the same way as Isaac Newton was serious about alchemy and his attempts to discover the philosopher's stone.


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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #218 on: September 05, 2018, 02:29:03 PM »


 And being a famous person he might not comment on matters of a mystical nature unless he is really serious about them. Therefore his opinion does matter.
Presumably then, any other famous person, if they comment on the same subject but in the opposite direction to Ford. Their opinion matters equally.
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #219 on: September 05, 2018, 03:05:34 PM »
Henry Ford may not be an expert on mystical matters...but mysticism or reincarnation or after-life... are not the sole prerogative of any 'experts' in the area.  They are not specialized areas of study. They are life philosophies that every individual can offer an opinion on.

Henry Ford being a person with a great engineering and technological mind....can be seen as a person unlikely otherwise to dabble in such matters. And being a famous person he might not comment on matters of a mystical nature unless he is really serious about them. Therefore his opinion does matter.
In the face of some seriously stiff competition that really must be the shittiest line of would-be reasoning I've seen on here in quite some time.

To add to Jeremy's suggestion of a new fallacy, I would put forward the Appeal to Irrelevant Authority - the fallacy of thinking that skill or pre-eminence in one field automatically confers it in any other area. Richard Feynman I think said: "A scientist looking at a non-scientific problem is as dumb as the next guy."
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #220 on: September 05, 2018, 04:19:58 PM »


 ::) ::)

You people have already tied yourselves into knots with all your 'fallacies'. Why do you want to add to it?  The mind will become even more microscopic and nothing at all will be understood.  You will be in a mental straitjacket.

 


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« Reply #221 on: September 05, 2018, 04:56:24 PM »

 ::) ::)

You people have already tied yourselves into knots with all your 'fallacies'.
No knots - these things exist to accurately identify aberrant reasoning.

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Why do you want to add to it?
I don't, but people who deploy bad arguments make it necessary.
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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #222 on: September 05, 2018, 08:49:28 PM »


Henry Ford may not be an expert on mystical matters...but mysticism or reincarnation or after-life... are not the sole prerogative of any 'experts' in the area.  They are not specialized areas of study. They are life philosophies that every individual can offer an opinion on.

Henry Ford being a person with a great engineering and technological mind....can be seen as a person unlikely otherwise to dabble in such matters. And being a famous person he might not comment on matters of a mystical nature unless he is really serious about them. Therefore his opinion does matter.
Famous people seem to comment on things they don’t understand all the time (see my examples above). Why would Henry Ford be any different?
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« Reply #223 on: September 05, 2018, 08:52:13 PM »

 ::) ::)

You people have already tied yourselves into knots with all your 'fallacies'. Why do you want to add to it?  The mind will become even more microscopic and nothing at all will be understood.  You will be in a mental straitjacket.

 
There’s only one person on this thread tied in knots. Guess who.
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« Reply #224 on: September 07, 2018, 03:26:49 PM »
There’s only one person on this thread tied in knots. Guess who.

I would think it'd be best if Sriram was to consult his horoscope to find the best moment to answer your post, before doing so j p.

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